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PJ's record with 4 star QB vs a 3 Star QB

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    PJ's record with 4 star QB vs a 3 Star QB

    4 Star QB

    Overall 45-27
    ACC (Including Championship) 25-21
    UGA 3 - 2

    3 Star QB

    Overall 31-27
    ACC (Including Championship) 22-15
    UGA 0-5

    A couple of notes. I went by who started because I needed a baseline. That means Nesbitt got a win against Mississippi State in a game he hardly played but JT got a loss against Miami when he left with the game tied.

    A few things stick out. The ACC record is better with a 3 star recruit. The other thing is the non-conference record. We have a losing record in non-conference games with a 3 star recruit and are 20-6 with a 4 star recruit.

    We've never won more than 5 ACC games with a 3 star recruit. 2 of the 3 ACC Championship games were with 4 star recruits. The other one actually wasn't a Coastal Championship but the results of self imposed sanctions by Miami. We've never won more than 8 games under PJ with a 3 star recruit starting most of the games.

    All 3 of PJ's 9 win or more seasons came with a 4 star recruit starting most of the games.


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    Has ANY CPJ QB improved under CPJ's tutelage?
    Was Nesbitt in 2010 any better than he was in 2008?
    JT in 2016 better than JT in 2014?
    Tevin? VadLee?

    So it makes sense that our best records come from 4-star QBs. Guys who were already naturally talented rather than guys that improved yearly from CPJ's QB coaching skills.

    It's interesting. The longer this goes, the more parallels to mediocre Chan Gailey arise. Very similar records and Gailey was awful with QBs too. Reggie Ball was vastly better as a true frosh than as a senior QB.

    TQ's play this year will be very interesting to watch to see if there's been any improvement in the young man's ability to throw the football. He can already run that QB Option Keeper play pretty well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3518techie View Post
    4 Star QB

    Overall 45-27
    ACC (Including Championship) 25-21
    UGA 3 - 2

    3 Star QB

    Overall 31-27
    ACC (Including Championship) 22-15
    UGA 0-5

    A couple of notes. I went by who started because I needed a baseline. That means Nesbitt got a win against Mississippi State in a game he hardly played but JT got a loss against Miami when he left with the game tied.

    A few things stick out. The ACC record is better with a 3 star recruit. The other thing is the non-conference record. We have a losing record in non-conference games with a 3 star recruit and are 20-6 with a 4 star recruit.

    We've never won more than 5 ACC games with a 3 star recruit. 2 of the 3 ACC Championship games were with 4 star recruits. The other one actually wasn't a Coastal Championship but the results of self imposed sanctions by Miami. We've never won more than 8 games under PJ with a 3 star recruit starting most of the games.

    All 3 of PJ's 9 win or more seasons came with a 4 star recruit starting most of the games.
    I get it, better quarterbacks yield more wins. If you know that, and I know that, CPJ must know it. So why don't we put more emphasis in recruiting better quarterbacks. Ones that can complete a pass as well as run the offense? We have a parade of "Athletes" and qb/Aback combinations rather than full fledged quarterbacks. I know I am beating a dead horse, but this is not new news. Most of us on this board have known since Paul Johnson was at Southern that this offense is dependent on a capable, talented quarterback. When there is one, whether at Southern or Navy or Georgia Tech, the results are much better. I am not saying they aren't trying, but we need to focus a hard target search for quarterback all over the country. And we need three, not just one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukonwreck View Post
    I get it, better quarterbacks yield more wins. If you know that, and I know that, CPJ must know it. So why don't we put more emphasis in recruiting better quarterbacks. Ones that can complete a pass as well as run the offense? We have a parade of "Athletes" and qb/Aback combinations rather than full fledged quarterbacks. I know I am beating a dead horse, but this is not new news. Most of us on this board have known since Paul Johnson was at Southern that this offense is dependent on a capable, talented quarterback. When there is one, whether at Southern or Navy or Georgia Tech, the results are much better. I am not saying they aren't trying, but we need to focus a hard target search for quarterback all over the country. And we need three, not just one.
    Simple..if you are going to run a option u need a option q.b right out of the gate..we continue to put round into square

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    Since reference was made to CCG, I am reminded of a preseason luncheon I attended and he was speaking. In talking of the starting lineup, he said "Reggie Ball will be starting for the 4th year and we are hoping the light will come on for him." Mother in Heaven!!!!!! You hope the light comes on for a 4 year starter!?

    Reggie was never the problem.

    As for CPJ, one of his great fears is complete development of his QBs as passers in their last 2 years. If fans saw that, they would demand more of it. He does not want that.

    If we think about it, GT has not had a true OC since the 2001 season.

    Unreal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texshooter View Post
    Since reference was made to CCG, I am reminded of a preseason luncheon I attended and he was speaking. In talking of the starting lineup, he said "Reggie Ball will be starting for the 4th year and we are hoping the light will come on for him." Mother in Heaven!!!!!! You hope the light comes on for a 4 year starter!?

    Reggie was never the problem.

    As for CPJ, one of his great fears is complete development of his QBs as passers in their last 2 years. If fans saw that, they would demand more of it. He does not want that.

    If we think about it, GT has not had a true OC since the 2001 season.

    Unreal.
    When you say this stuff out loud, it really does sound unbelievable. I talked to Chan in Tampa after his first year at Tech. He told us the most glaring thing he learned about our players in that first year was that they lacked the physical and mental toughness that was required to win. That they did not understand the effort that needed to be put forth to win football games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukonwreck View Post
    When you say this stuff out loud, it really does sound unbelievable. I talked to Chan in Tampa after his first year at Tech. He told us the most glaring thing he learned about our players in that first year was that they lacked the physical and mental toughness that was required to win. That they did not understand the effort that needed to be put forth to win football games.
    Yeah, no doubt after being coached by, and playing for, GO’L GT players did not know about toughness.

    Our kids for sure have to be tougher to lose 2 games by 51 - 7, than beating uga 3 times in a row under the previous staff.

    Whatever helps you sleep at night.

    And CCG said what I quoted at a Lunch Bunch at the Prado going into his 5th season. So if he was “hoping” the light would go off for our 4th year starters, I guess that was also still the players fault.

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    Again it comes back to recruiting.If you get a good/skilled one UPFRONT then you don't have coach him up much.(and MORE in this offense than almost any other I know). To do this though you have convince a guy to play in this strange offense in which you get hit a lot and don't have time to pass normally. What's worse there are fewer and fewer hi school teams running a ctr-hike and run option OFFense now. ---Good luck. So now we get a guy like Knight who is another Nesbitt WITHOUT the credentials or ability. I got $100 this guy will not play QB at GT after 3 yrs.Maybe a WR.

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    If you were to pull the posts I have sent in about Chan you would see I was not a fan but................he did good job recruiting and ...........if he had found a qb to run his offense he probably would still be there today.He had many players who went NFL but no qb.............had to have a thrower for his pro offense.......we didnt have on..Course his move to be his own OC led to his downfall too.......especially since Bill B had studied at the hand of Ralp F

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    Quote Originally Posted by mack View Post
    If you were to pull the posts I have sent in about Chan you would see I was not a fan but................he did good job recruiting and ...........if he had found a qb to run his offense he probably would still be there today.He had many players who went NFL but no qb.............had to have a thrower for his pro offense.......we didnt have on..Course his move to be his own OC led to his downfall too.......especially since Bill B had studied at the hand of Ralp F
    The nineties were quite a decade for Tech football. An undefeated season and a national championship. Then Ross bolts, replaced by "he who shall remain nameless". The program starts to completely unravel, enter O'Leary. Friedgen looks good and gets a head coaching gig, Bill O'Brien having success, things are looking up. Then O'Leary goes all Greek tragedy on us, and in the blink of an eye Patrick Nix is the OC. Maybe we should be content with how things are now.

 

 
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