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Does a lower Academic bar, mean lower character?

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    Does a lower Academic bar, mean lower character?

    As the trials and tribulations grind on at the Flats, I wonder. We have petitioned the Hill to let the football coach offer scholarships to recruits that may or may not have the academic wherewithal, preparation, or innate intelligence to do the classroom work at Georgia Tech. In so doing, are we opening the doors to athletes that are more likely to be disciplinary problems, benders or breakers of rules, young men of lesser character, if you will, than the players with the grades and test scores indicative of better students? When standards are lowered, does it necessarily follow that they are lowered across the board? Surely it doesn't take 1400 on the SAT to understand right from wrong, does it? Maybe the Hill is smarter than the rest of us. After all, they have been doing this for 100 years---and they have four National Championships in their trophy case, ne c'est pas?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukonwreck View Post
    As the trials and tribulations grind on at the Flats, I wonder. We have petitioned the Hill to let the football coach offer scholarships to recruits that may or may not have the academic wherewithal, preparation, or innate intelligence to do the classroom work at Georgia Tech. In so doing, are we opening the doors to athletes that are more likely to be disciplinary problems, benders or breakers of rules, young men of lesser character, if you will, than the players with the grades and test scores indicative of better students? When standards are lowered, does it necessarily follow that they are lowered across the board? Surely it doesn't take 1400 on the SAT to understand right from wrong, does it? Maybe the Hill is smarter than the rest of us. After all, they have been doing this for 100 years---and they have four National Championships in their trophy case, ne c'est pas?
    Short answer? Yes. Not all of them will be that way, but the chances are much higher.

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    Biggest bunch of arrogant BS i have ever heard, and i realize OP was just posing a question. I have acquaintences that never finished college, friends that went to ugag and have known people that could not go to college at all - and they are successful, God loving, honest and hard working people. A man worked for our family that could not read but i would trust my family, possessions and life to him.

    Tech people often love to hurt themselves. Real smart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clapper gold View Post
    Biggest bunch of arrogant BS i have ever heard, and i realize OP was just posing a question. I have acquaintences that never finished college, friends that went to ugag and have known people that could not go to college at all - and they are successful, God loving, honest and hard working people. A man worked for our family that could not read but i would trust my family, possessions and life to him.

    Tech people often love to hurt themselves. Real smart.
    Yow!! I think someone got up on the wrongside of the bed!!You were right in your first sentence,then went into a diatribe that didn't fit the question.

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    Lower standards tend to bring lower-charactered individuals, no question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clapper gold View Post
    Biggest bunch of arrogant BS i have ever heard, and i realize OP was just posing a question. I have acquaintences that never finished college, friends that went to ugag and have known people that could not go to college at all - and they are successful, God loving, honest and hard working people. A man worked for our family that could not read but i would trust my family, possessions and life to him.

    Tech people often love to hurt themselves. Real smart.
    Are your friends minorities from low income families?

    I don't think there's anything wrong with acknowledging that someone who isn't very smart has a higher likelihood of getting into trouble. Doesn't mean that all or most of them or bad or that smart people don't do dome stuff, but the chances are certainly higher as intelligence goes down. Prison isn't full of college grads. Of course all this is really about socioeconomic factors more than anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaMGTmjr View Post
    Are your friends minorities from low income families?

    I don't think there's anything wrong with acknowledging that someone who isn't very smart has a higher likelihood of getting into trouble. Doesn't mean that all or most of them or bad or that smart people don't do dome stuff, but the chances are certainly higher as intelligence goes down. Prison isn't full of college grads. Of course all this is really about socioeconomic factors more than anything.
    Been watching criminal conduct from on high for over thirty years and yeah.......no Eisenstein here but if I kid has the ability to try and keep at it many times we can see a sucess.We take a good kid who has academic problems yet he is agreeable to the team and coaching staff and is a hard worker and stays out of trouble...............no problem with me.What is a problem is how our recruiting folks give the impression that a background check is not so important as the SAT or the Star by their name.Now probably wrong about this but certainly know some puppies who were just thugs yet they are playing ......not good.

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    [QUOTE=clapper gold;106408]Biggest bunch of arrogant BS i have ever heard, and i realize OP was just posing a question. I have acquaintences that never finished college, friends that went to ugag and have known people that could not go to college at all - and they are successful, God loving, honest and hard working people. A man worked for our family that could not read but i would trust my family, possessions and life to him.

    Tech people often love to hurt themselves. Real smart.[/QUOTE

    Sorry, Clapper, I wasn't trying to make a connection between "smarts" and integrity or success. Not by any means. My question was based on personal observation. The premise is that STUDENTS, who also excel at football in high school tend to fall into various categories. One set contains the star athlete that does his homework, juggles the rigors of school and sports, is a good time manager, probably involved in other extra curricular activites, and is well prepared for college when the time comes. Another set contains the uber-talented player that recognizes (often very early on) that his prowess is a marketable commodity. It can be bartered for privilege, for grades, to avoid disciplinary action, etc. He lives under a different set of rules. I have seen middle school grades requested to be changed to preserve eligibilty. Players from this set can, understandably, believe that rules do not apply to them. These kids are not so much "dumber" as they are ill-prepared to work hard at anything other than athletics. I was just wondering if we are getting some kids that when confronted with the strict realities, in and out of the classroom, are not willing, or even able, to buckle down and toe the mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clapper gold View Post
    Biggest bunch of arrogant BS i have ever heard, and i realize OP was just posing a question. I have acquaintences that never finished college, friends that went to ugag and have known people that could not go to college at all - and they are successful, God loving, honest and hard working people. A man worked for our family that could not read but i would trust my family, possessions and life to him.

    Tech people often love to hurt themselves. Real smart.[/QUOTE

    Sorry, Clapper, I wasn't trying to make a connection between "smarts" and integrity or success. Not by any means. My question was based on personal observation. The premise is that STUDENTS, who also excel at football in high school tend to fall into various categories. One set contains the star athlete that does his homework, juggles the rigors of school and sports, is a good time manager, probably involved in other extra curricular activites, and is well prepared for college when the time comes. Another set contains the uber-talented player that recognizes (often very early on) that his prowess is a marketable commodity. It can be bartered for privilege, for grades, to avoid disciplinary action, etc. He lives under a different set of rules. I have seen middle school grades requested to be changed to preserve eligibilty. Players from this set can, understandably, believe that rules do not apply to them. These kids are not so much "dumber" as they are ill-prepared to work hard at anything other than athletics. I was just wondering if we are getting some kids that when confronted with the strict realities, in and out of the classroom, are not willing, or even able, to buckle down and toe the mark.
    Preach on Brother ! Preach on ! I can remember when fathers would hold their kids back in school just to get a advantage in maturity and weight in football.

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    I've known many really smart people who were jerks. And, I have known a lot of hard working not very well educated people who were saints.

    So, no, the answer to your question is that I see no correlation between SAT scores and discipline issues.

 

 
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