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    What should we expect from the next coach?

    So it's obvious that PJ is gone after this season. Another 7-5 and he is toast. Assuming this is what happens, what do we expect from the next coach and how long does he get to produce?

    From what I understand, we have not only one of the worst coaches in the ACC, but PJ is one of the worst coaches in FBS. Right now, with him, we are getting 7 wins. So why can't we expect 8, 9, 10 wins in the first few years?

    Actually, we should. Our next coach will be an upgrade so we should immediately see more wins. We have plenty of talent. Ok, maybe our first year might be tough with ND, FSU and Clemson but with an upgrade at HC, we should beat Miami and VT.

    My expectations are 8-4 in 2015 with a young MJ and Custis leading the way on offense. In 2016 with a very experienced team and a lighter schedule, if we don't win at least 9 games, we hired the wrong guy. What do you guys think?


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    Quote Originally Posted by CobbTech View Post
    So it's obvious that PJ is gone after this season. Another 7-5 and he is toast. Assuming this is what happens, what do we expect from the next coach and how long does he get to produce?

    From what I understand, we have not only one of the worst coaches in the ACC, but PJ is one of the worst coaches in FBS. Right now, with him, we are getting 7 wins. So why can't we expect 8, 9, 10 wins in the first few years?

    Actually, we should. Our next coach will be an upgrade so we should immediately see more wins. We have plenty of talent. Ok, maybe our first year might be tough with ND, FSU and Clemson but with an upgrade at HC, we should beat Miami and VT.

    My expectations are 8-4 in 2015 with a young MJ and Custis leading the way on offense. In 2016 with a very experienced tea. m and a lighter schedule, if we don't win at least 9 games, we hired the wrong guy. What do you guys think?
    I think they give new coach five yrs since we gave Chan plenty of time to get wins higher than seven wins per yr but do think we are not getting most out of out talent.I have said.....we win eight and PJ stays.

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    I wouldn't expect much to start with. Look at what he is inheriting.

    Have no idea how you can really defend another 7-5 year but it's obvious you're ok with that. Hell, I can live with some 7-5 years but not if we are running a god awful offense that is an aberration to the game of football.

    7-5 may actually be a little too positive. That assumes we only lose one game on top of the big 4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaMGTmjr View Post
    I wouldn't expect much to start with. Look at what he is inheriting.

    Have no idea how you can really defend another 7-5 year but it's obvious you're ok with that. Hell, I can live with some 7-5 years but not if we are running a god awful offense that is an aberration to the game of football.
    How is it obvious that I'm ok with 7 wins? I hate this crap. Hated it when GOL was here. Hated it when Gailey was here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CobbTech View Post
    How is it obvious that I'm ok with 7 wins? I hate this crap. Hated it when GOL was here. Hated it when Gailey was here.
    Just what I take from your tone. "7-5 is terrible, but if PJ can get 7-5 as a bad coach, surely the good coach we replace him with will be able to win 8, 9, 10 games relatively soon" which is a smart ass way of saying that maybe 7-5 isn't so bad, it could be worse.

    I don't think he's a bad coach. I think he is good at what he does, it's what he does that's the problem...because it's all he does and all he can do. Throw in not being a great recruiter or PR guy and voila. Nothing special. We have been stagnant for 4 years going on 5. Nothing is being built. No light at the end of the tunnel. No real reason to believe anything is going to change. I know a lot of GT fans are terrified of change and risk, but no risk no reward. If we don't believe we can do better and deserve better, how are we going to ever get better? How are we supposed to convince kids to come play at GT? I'm a very reasonable guy. I know winning 9 or 10 games most years is not going to happen, but we can do better than what we have been doing since Gailey's players left and PJ had to make a livin off HIS program.

    By my accounting, Gailey was actually a better coach! He actually did more with less if what you guys say is true about average recruiting class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaMGTmjr View Post
    I wouldn't expect much to start with. Look at what he is inheriting.

    Have no idea how you can really defend another 7-5 year but it's obvious you're ok with that. Hell, I can live with some 7-5 years but not if we are running a god awful offense that is an aberration to the game of football.

    7-5 may actually be a little too positive. That assumes we only lose one game on top of the big 4.
    Not only that, but I just don't find Paul Johnson likable at all. Now a guy like Brian Gregory doesn't bother me as much, even if we do suck now. He's just a helluva lot more likable to me.

    Edit: I see you alluded to this in your later post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaMGTmjr View Post
    Just what I take from your tone. "7-5 is terrible, but if PJ can get 7-5 as a bad coach, surely the good coach we replace him with will be able to win 8, 9, 10 games relatively soon" which is a smart ass way of saying that maybe 7-5 isn't so bad, it could be worse.

    I don't think he's a bad coach. I think he is good at what he does, it's what he does that's the problem...because it's all he does and all he can do. Throw in not being a great recruiter or PR guy and voila. Nothing special. We have been stagnant for 4 years going on 5. Nothing is being built. No light at the end of the tunnel. No real reason to believe anything is going to change. I know a lot of GT fans are terrified of change and risk, but no risk no reward. If we don't believe we can do better and deserve better, how are we going to ever get better? How are we supposed to convince kids to come play at GT? I'm a very reasonable guy. I know winning 9 or 10 games most years is not going to happen, but we can do better than what we have been doing since Gailey's players left and PJ had to make a livin off HIS program.

    By my accounting, Gailey was actually a better coach! He actually did more with less if what you guys say is true about average recruiting class.
    Umm that's not what I meant at all.

    You'll have a hard time convincing anyone that Gailey was a better college coach than PJ. PJ took his players and won 20 games in two years. Gailey won more than 7 games once. PJ has three seasons of 8 or more wins. Not saying PJ is great but saying Gailey is better than PJ is simply ridiculous and facts don't back it up.

    But there's no reason to debate those two. Here's is what I think. Assuming PJ is fired, we have plenty of talent for the next coach (if he is an upgrade) to come in and win 7 or 8 immediately. Our schedule will be tough in 2015 but everyone thought the same thing in 2008. No one knew how good Dwyer, DT, and all of those guys were. Not saying we have a Dwyer or DT on the roster but we have a lot of talented guys that the big time programs offered. Custis (Clemson, Michigan State), Jordan (Nebraska), Austin brothers (S. Carolina), Searcy (S.Carolina), Devine (FSU, UGA), Durham (S. Carolina), Commisiong (Clemson), Freeman (Clemson, Miami), Juene (Kansas State), Summers (Florida), Leggett (UCLA), Myles Autry (FSU), Terrell Lewis (LSU). That's plenty of talent to get 7 wins in year one and 9 or 10 in year two.
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    Guys no matter who replaces PJ,or if he is replaced I think he will have enough talent to win right off the bat and tech fans will give him room to win.shoot we gave the other guys years to produce so new coach will get some support.If ,and it is a big if,PJ is replaced by a guy who say throws the balll ,goes into a spread and makes the offense exciting I think fans will be won over quickly.We still have talent and most of the guys we recruited are very familiar with a spread type offense.Lets for sake of arguement say we get a new coach and he brings in wide open game plan.What will the guys who like to throw the rock do ?Bet many of them will turn toward tech .Now we have a guy who can catch so maybe he looks at Tech in new manner.Say we have a good RB who likes the off tackle play or the sweep bet he would entertain our program...how about a linebacker who is agressive and fits Roofs type of hitter ? Point is I think the main problem we have had is ..........the offense not geared up to who we have running it.PJ was lucky he started off with a great offensive players such as Tracy Ham and later had AP.He did wonderful job selling the option to JD and PJ for a year but since then we dont have the horses to run this offense.Only kick I have is we have had time to fix this and we didnt......of course Chan had same problem at qb and didnt do well either but we cant keep using mirrors to run this offense we need horses and many of them.Billy Curry had .......nothing to start with.......nothing at all and he got better like other coacahes when he got better players.We still have some good ones left if,and I say if,another coach comes in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaMGTmjr View Post
    Just what I take from your tone. "7-5 is terrible, but if PJ can get 7-5 as a bad coach, surely the good coach we replace him with will be able to win 8, 9, 10 games relatively soon" which is a smart ass way of saying that maybe 7-5 isn't so bad, it could be worse.

    I don't think he's a bad coach. I think he is good at what he does, it's what he does that's the problem...because it's all he does and all he can do. Throw in not being a great recruiter or PR guy and voila. Nothing special. We have been stagnant for 4 years going on 5. Nothing is being built. No light at the end of the tunnel. No real reason to believe anything is going to change. I know a lot of GT fans are terrified of change and risk, but no risk no reward. If we don't believe we can do better and deserve better, how are we going to ever get better? How are we supposed to convince kids to come play at GT? I'm a very reasonable guy. I know winning 9 or 10 games most years is not going to happen, but we can do better than what we have been doing since Gailey's players left and PJ had to make a livin off HIS program.

    By my accounting, Gailey was actually a better coach! He actually did more with less if what you guys say is true about average recruiting class.
    Sort of agree with Chan vs PJ on who is better .Chan would not turn over the offense to Bennett and PJ calls his own plays.Chan had qb problems for entire time he coached and PJ is not QUITE in the same boat but close.No doubt Chan was better recruiter but on game day whick matters ,we didnt use CJ as a big weapon.I will say if Chan had a decent qb that could run his offense bet he would still be at Tech.Of course JT did bail him out at times with good defense and so far we are waiting for Roof to rally our troops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CobbTech View Post
    So it's obvious that PJ is gone after this season. Another 7-5 and he is toast. Assuming this is what happens, what do we expect from the next coach and how long does he get to produce?

    From what I understand, we have not only one of the worst coaches in the ACC, but PJ is one of the worst coaches in FBS. Right now, with him, we are getting 7 wins. So why can't we expect 8, 9, 10 wins in the first few years?

    Actually, we should. Our next coach will be an upgrade so we should immediately see more wins. We have plenty of talent. Ok, maybe our first year might be tough with ND, FSU and Clemson but with an upgrade at HC, we should beat Miami and VT.

    My expectations are 8-4 in 2015 with a young MJ and Custis leading the way on offense. In 2016 with a very experienced team and a lighter schedule, if we don't win at least 9 games, we hired the wrong guy. What do you guys think?
    Well, it really depends upon who we get as our new coach. Let's say, for instance, the defense looks better even though our record doesn't improve or even worsens, maybe Roof gets the job. He'll have a few players, I thought 2014 class was better than the last four. The problem is that because of several medium years of recruiting, there is no quick fix. And because of the recruiting we have lost ground relative to the other teams in our league. So thinking Roof comes in and lights it up is unrealistic. If you hired a Neuheisel or Mike Leach, they'd have no big arm quarterback, no wide outs, no pass blocking linemen at first, so there ya go. A Chip Kelly type would not have horses either. Greg Schiano might come in and get us competitive, but he never really got Rutgers over the hump--a hump that we really want to get over. It is a bitter pill that we face, but changing coaches usually always is. We have to give up 7-5 or 6-6, and endure one or two 5-7 or 4-8 years to get the program righted. IMHO we have already let it slide one year too long. Our brand and our identity have been sorely tarnished. We are not perceived to be a strong, competitive program by the media or by the recruits or high school coaches. Nobody wants to talk about Georgia Tech football. It is uninteresting, uninspiring and there are no lofty expectations for us. Compare, if you will, the paths of FSU, Miami, Clempsen, and even Duke over the past few years, to Georgia Tech. My personal opinion is that Duke is aberration, but people are talking about Duke and their future with excitement. We, OTOH, are talking about the end of the Paul Johnson experiment.
    Your sarcasm about Johnson's coaching ability, duly noted. He's not a terrible coach, he has sterling credentials at other places. And he may be wildly successful at his next stop, if there is to be one. But he has a ceiling at Tech. We have not done the things necessary to keep pace with the other teams in our conference. His recruiting is improving, but as I said, it is a deep hole we have dug relative to on-field talent. His staffs have been overall below average, with a couple of truly awful hires. I think he just got in over his head.

 

 
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