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So it's obvious that PJ is gone after this season. Another 7-5 and he is toast. Assuming this is what happens, what do we expect from the next coach and how long does he get to produce?
From what I understand, we have not only one of the worst coaches in the ACC, but PJ is one of the worst coaches in FBS. Right now, with him, we are getting 7 wins. So why can't we expect 8, 9, 10 wins in the first few years?
Actually, we should. Our next coach will be an upgrade so we should immediately see more wins. We have plenty of talent. Ok, maybe our first year might be tough with ND, FSU and Clemson but with an upgrade at HC, we should beat Miami and VT.
My expectations are 8-4 in 2015 with a young MJ and Custis leading the way on offense. In 2016 with a very experienced team and a lighter schedule, if we don't win at least 9 games, we hired the wrong guy. What do you guys think?
I wouldn't expect much to start with. Look at what he is inheriting.
Have no idea how you can really defend another 7-5 year but it's obvious you're ok with that. Hell, I can live with some 7-5 years but not if we are running a god awful offense that is an aberration to the game of football.
7-5 may actually be a little too positive. That assumes we only lose one game on top of the big 4.
Last edited by HelluvaMGTmjr; 04-29-2014 at 07:00 AM.
I don't think he's a bad coach. I think he is good at what he does, it's what he does that's the problem...because it's all he does and all he can do. Throw in not being a great recruiter or PR guy and voila. Nothing special. We have been stagnant for 4 years going on 5. Nothing is being built. No light at the end of the tunnel. No real reason to believe anything is going to change. I know a lot of GT fans are terrified of change and risk, but no risk no reward. If we don't believe we can do better and deserve better, how are we going to ever get better? How are we supposed to convince kids to come play at GT? I'm a very reasonable guy. I know winning 9 or 10 games most years is not going to happen, but we can do better than what we have been doing since Gailey's players left and PJ had to make a livin off HIS program.
By my accounting, Gailey was actually a better coach! He actually did more with less if what you guys say is true about average recruiting class.
Last edited by HelluvaMGTmjr; 04-29-2014 at 07:11 AM.
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11 out of 12. When will this stop?
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You'll have a hard time convincing anyone that Gailey was a better college coach than PJ. PJ took his players and won 20 games in two years. Gailey won more than 7 games once. PJ has three seasons of 8 or more wins. Not saying PJ is great but saying Gailey is better than PJ is simply ridiculous and facts don't back it up.
But there's no reason to debate those two. Here's is what I think. Assuming PJ is fired, we have plenty of talent for the next coach (if he is an upgrade) to come in and win 7 or 8 immediately. Our schedule will be tough in 2015 but everyone thought the same thing in 2008. No one knew how good Dwyer, DT, and all of those guys were. Not saying we have a Dwyer or DT on the roster but we have a lot of talented guys that the big time programs offered. Custis (Clemson, Michigan State), Jordan (Nebraska), Austin brothers (S. Carolina), Searcy (S.Carolina), Devine (FSU, UGA), Durham (S. Carolina), Commisiong (Clemson), Freeman (Clemson, Miami), Juene (Kansas State), Summers (Florida), Leggett (UCLA), Myles Autry (FSU), Terrell Lewis (LSU). That's plenty of talent to get 7 wins in year one and 9 or 10 in year two.
Last edited by CobbTech; 04-29-2014 at 08:57 AM.
Guys no matter who replaces PJ,or if he is replaced I think he will have enough talent to win right off the bat and tech fans will give him room to win.shoot we gave the other guys years to produce so new coach will get some support.If ,and it is a big if,PJ is replaced by a guy who say throws the balll ,goes into a spread and makes the offense exciting I think fans will be won over quickly.We still have talent and most of the guys we recruited are very familiar with a spread type offense.Lets for sake of arguement say we get a new coach and he brings in wide open game plan.What will the guys who like to throw the rock do ?Bet many of them will turn toward tech .Now we have a guy who can catch so maybe he looks at Tech in new manner.Say we have a good RB who likes the off tackle play or the sweep bet he would entertain our program...how about a linebacker who is agressive and fits Roofs type of hitter ? Point is I think the main problem we have had is ..........the offense not geared up to who we have running it.PJ was lucky he started off with a great offensive players such as Tracy Ham and later had AP.He did wonderful job selling the option to JD and PJ for a year but since then we dont have the horses to run this offense.Only kick I have is we have had time to fix this and we didnt......of course Chan had same problem at qb and didnt do well either but we cant keep using mirrors to run this offense we need horses and many of them.Billy Curry had .......nothing to start with.......nothing at all and he got better like other coacahes when he got better players.We still have some good ones left if,and I say if,another coach comes in.
Your sarcasm about Johnson's coaching ability, duly noted. He's not a terrible coach, he has sterling credentials at other places. And he may be wildly successful at his next stop, if there is to be one. But he has a ceiling at Tech. We have not done the things necessary to keep pace with the other teams in our conference. His recruiting is improving, but as I said, it is a deep hole we have dug relative to on-field talent. His staffs have been overall below average, with a couple of truly awful hires. I think he just got in over his head.