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    Competitive? Or ordinary?

    Rehashing our season yet again, it is clear to me that it isn't just Georgia Tech that has trouble winning football games. Of our 13 opponents, plus ourselves, 8 teams had records of 8-5 or 7-6. All of those teams were bowl eligible, yet combined for 44 losses during "successful" years. Eight wins seems so much sexier than 7, but is it really? I don't like the fact that we get our 7 with Elon and Alabama A&M, but the real dividing line appears to be if you can get to nine wins, regardless of the opposition. There are not many 9 win teams in any year. And we were 2-1 against our 9+ win opponents. So, is 7-6 competitive and okay? Or is it ordinary, mediocre, and cause for traumatic upheavel that comes with a coaching change? And please, let's leave our stellar APR for another thread.


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    I would say its okay but nothing we should hang our hat on. As you said the real dividing line is 9 wins a year. As I posted in another thread UGA has barely averaged 9 wins a year since the 12 game schedule was put into place in 2006. Granted they play in a tougher conference but I don't see 9 wins a year average being a realistic at Tech to average over a long period of time. I think 7.5 to 8 is probably closer to what can be done. However, there is no reason why we can't win 9, 10, or 11 games once every couple years. That is the issue to me with both CPJ and Gailey it seems we get in these stagnant periods of time when 7-5 is all we can do. I don't think its unreasonable to expect 9 wins or more every 2-3 years considering we redshirt 90% of our players and we have very little leave for NFL early. I hope this year is different but breaking in a new starting QB for the 3rd time in 4 years really doesn't make me very positive heading into the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ugahater715 View Post
    I would say its okay but nothing we should hang our hat on. As you said the real dividing line is 9 wins a year. As I posted in another thread UGA has barely averaged 9 wins a year since the 12 game schedule was put into place in 2006. Granted they play in a tougher conference but I don't see 9 wins a year average being a realistic at Tech to average over a long period of time. I think 7.5 to 8 is probably closer to what can be done. However, there is no reason why we can't win 9, 10, or 11 games once every couple years. That is the issue to me with both CPJ and Gailey it seems we get in these stagnant periods of time when 7-5 is all we can do. I don't think its unreasonable to expect 9 wins or more every 2-3 years considering we redshirt 90% of our players and we have very little leave for NFL early. I hope this year is different but breaking in a new starting QB for the 3rd time in 4 years really doesn't make me very positive heading into the season.
    Well, I stand corrected---by my own seff. Upon further review, a whole bunch of folks won 9 plus games this past year---40 teams, to be exact. All of the first 19 ranked teams, plus 21 more. True, you have to get down to Cincinnati, Bowling Green, Fresno, North Texas, even Navy, Marshall and Rice. Hell,
    Ball State, ranked 72nd, and Louisiana Layfayette at #77 won nine or more games. Soooooo, about 1/3 of the FBS wins nine or more. Shazzam! Good news or bad news?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukonwreck View Post
    Rehashing our season yet again, it is clear to me that it isn't just Georgia Tech that has trouble winning football games. Of our 13 opponents, plus ourselves, 8 teams had records of 8-5 or 7-6. All of those teams were bowl eligible, yet combined for 44 losses during "successful" years. Eight wins seems so much sexier than 7, but is it really? I don't like the fact that we get our 7 with Elon and Alabama A&M, but the real dividing line appears to be if you can get to nine wins, regardless of the opposition. There are not many 9 win teams in any year. And we were 2-1 against our 9+ win opponents. So, is 7-6 competitive and okay? Or is it ordinary, mediocre, and cause for traumatic upheavel that comes with a coaching change? And please, let's leave our stellar APR for another thread.

    2-1 against 9+ win opponents? Duke and ???

    7-6 is OK for a team in its 2nd year of rebuilding. It's pretty pathetic for a team 6 years into a coach's regime and chock-full of that guy's recruits, esp. since 2 wins are against Cupcake University St college AND the team is playing in a weak football conference. At that point, a 7-win season is a bellwether. A harbinger. Esp. when it's the 2nd in a row, following 2 8-win seasons. Now you've got a program that's clearly mired in mediocrity and, from the looks of it, a fan base that's content with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RamblinWreck92 View Post
    2-1 against 9+ win opponents? Duke and ???

    7-6 is OK for a team in its 2nd year of rebuilding. It's pretty pathetic for a team 6 years into a coach's regime and chock-full of that guy's recruits, esp. since 2 wins are against Cupcake University St college AND the team is playing in a weak football conference. At that point, a 7-win season is a bellwether. A harbinger. Esp. when it's the 2nd in a row, following 2 8-win seasons. Now you've got a program that's clearly mired in mediocrity and, from the looks of it, a fan base that's content with that.
    1-2, Duke and Duke alone. More my bad. Any of you guys ever have Prof. Tooles for surveying? You will know the difference between a mistake and a blunder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RamblinWreck92 View Post
    2-1 against 9+ win opponents? Duke and ???

    7-6 is OK for a team in its 2nd year of rebuilding. It's pretty pathetic for a team 6 years into a coach's regime and chock-full of that guy's recruits, esp. since 2 wins are against Cupcake University St college AND the team is playing in a weak football conference. At that point, a 7-win season is a bellwether. A harbinger. Esp. when it's the 2nd in a row, following 2 8-win seasons. Now you've got a program that's clearly mired in mediocrity and, from the looks of it, a fan base that's content with that.
    Bellwether or bellcow? I can't speak for everyone (just 47% of Tech fans) but, I am certainly not content with the recent results---but I have come to accept them, unfortunately. I forgot where I read it, but a forty year fan posted he didn't even watch the Georgia game,or the bowl game. And I completely understand. The expectations are diminshed and the witnessing is too painful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukonwreck View Post
    Well, I stand corrected---by my own seff. Upon further review, a whole bunch of folks won 9 plus games this past year---40 teams, to be exact. All of the first 19 ranked teams, plus 21 more. True, you have to get down to Cincinnati, Bowling Green, Fresno, North Texas, even Navy, Marshall and Rice. Hell,
    Ball State, ranked 72nd, and Louisiana Layfayette at #77 won nine or more games. Soooooo, about 1/3 of the FBS wins nine or more. Shazzam! Good news or bad news?
    I wouldn't count teams that don't play in a BCS or power conference when comparing to Tech. ACC or not its a lot harder to win 9 games in the ACC than in a non-major conference.

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    7-5 is very mediocre and almost joyless (beat the losers, lose to the winners) 8-4 is ok (must have beaten one kind of good team?), 9-3 is good (We beat Clemson, Miami, UGA or VT?!?!).

    Beating UNC, NC St., Duke, Maryland, Syracuse etc. is not very exciting and pretty much encompasses ACC football outside of Clemson, FSU and VT and it's a big part of why the SEC rules the South.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaMGTmjr View Post
    7-5 is very mediocre and almost joyless (beat the losers, lose to the winners) 8-4 is ok (must have beaten one kind of good team?), 9-3 is good (We beat Clemson, Miami, UGA or VT?!?!).

    Beating UNC, NC St., Duke, Maryland, Syracuse etc. is not very exciting and pretty much encompasses ACC football outside of Clemson, FSU and VT and it's a big part of why the SEC rules the South.
    Tell it all brudda!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaMGTmjr View Post
    7-5 is very mediocre and almost joyless (beat the losers, lose to the winners) 8-4 is ok (must have beaten one kind of good team?), 9-3 is good (We beat Clemson, Miami, UGA or VT?!?!).

    Beating UNC, NC St., Duke, Maryland, Syracuse etc. is not very exciting and pretty much encompasses ACC football outside of Clemson, FSU and VT and it's a big part of why the SEC rules the South.
    Duke was competitive with Texas A & M. Would they have fared well against an Auburn or an LSU. Maybe not, but they weren't the best team or even the second best team in the ACC. Clempsen beat Georgia who was an eyelash away from beating Auburn. I am not saying that there isn't a gap between the SEC and the ACC still, but the gap is lessening. I sense a drop-off ahead for the SEC. Their elite level of coaching is not going to last forever. Franklin has departed and Spurrier, Miles, Richt, and Saban could all be gone in four or five years. The other "major" conferences have been nibbling at SEC recruiting for years. Yes, most of the better programs reload, but as a conference the SEC has to replace McCarron, Mettenberger, Murray, Connor Shaw and Manziel. Like the other conferences, the SEC now has a pretty mediocre middle class developing with Tennessee, Miss State, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, and, dare I say, Georgia. They are still the best conference around, but I see some cracks in the foundation.

 

 
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