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This is a discussion on Recruiting Matters within the Georgia Tech Football forums, part of the Georgia Tech Sports Message Boards category; Stole this from another site. This article breaks down teams in to 5 star, 4 star, 3 star, 2 star, ...

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    Stole this from another site. This article breaks down teams in to 5 star, 4 star, 3 star, 2 star, and 1 star categories based on recruiting rankings and compares how records between the two. GT is rated as a 2 Star, Clemson, VT, and Miami are 4 stars and UGA is a 5 star.

    Recruiting Matters: Be they ever so humble, the rankings (still) get it right - Football Study Hall


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    Of course recruiting matters. Anybody that denies that is an idiot. That's saying there is no correlation between recruiting rankings and winning and this is absurd. They certainty aren't infallible and there are always exceptions and busts but generally speaking, a team full of 4 and 5* guys is going to beat a team with nothing but 3*. Look at the difference one top 20 class did for GT in 2007! We had EIGHT 4* guys and were ranked 2 behind Clemson and AHEAD of FSU, VT and Miami. Look at our record against Clemson, Miami, VT and UGA from 2010-2013, all 4 or 5* schools....1-15. ONE and FIFTEEN! That's 6.25%! Just because there are a few exceptions (like us being 4-0 vs 4* UNC) doesn't mean the general rule isn't true.

    I will never understand how UNC does it. They must just pull in all the in-state talent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaMGTmjr View Post
    Of course recruiting matters. Anybody that denies that is an idiot. That's saying there is no correlation between recruiting rankings and winning and this is absurd. They certainty aren't infallible and there are always exceptions and busts but generally speaking, a team full of 4 and 5* guys is going to beat a team with nothing but 3*. Look at the difference one top 20 class did for GT in 2007! We had EIGHT 4* guys and were ranked 2 behind Clemson and AHEAD of FSU, VT and Miami. Look at our record against Clemson, Miami, VT and UGA from 2010-2013, all 4 or 5* schools....1-15. ONE and FIFTEEN! That's 6.25%! Just because there are a few exceptions (like us being 4-0 vs 4* UNC) doesn't mean the general rule isn't true.

    I will never understand how UNC does it. They must just pull in all the in-state talent.

    The only ones denying that anymore are the True Believers. It's all they've got left.

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    To be fair, it is pretty hard for GT to compete for top talent, but I think we can do a little better with the right guy at the helm. Dozens of teams are stuck in the same boat, just a few difference makers away from 10 win seasons. There is only so much to go around. Scheme, coaching and development are pretty important along with talent, obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaMGTmjr View Post
    Of course recruiting matters. Anybody that denies that is an idiot. That's saying there is no correlation between recruiting rankings and winning and this is absurd. They certainty aren't infallible and there are always exceptions and busts but generally speaking, a team full of 4 and 5* guys is going to beat a team with nothing but 3*. Look at the difference one top 20 class did for GT in 2007! We had EIGHT 4* guys and were ranked 2 behind Clemson and AHEAD of FSU, VT and Miami. Look at our record against Clemson, Miami, VT and UGA from 2010-2013, all 4 or 5* schools....1-15. ONE and FIFTEEN! That's 6.25%! Just because there are a few exceptions (like us being 4-0 vs 4* UNC) doesn't mean the general rule isn't true.

    I will never understand how UNC does it. They must just pull in all the in-state talent.
    I agree with this. It's not an exact science and there are some sketchy situations where, like this year, UGA flips a 2 star and all of a sudden he's a 4 star. But typically if a 4 or 5 star guy pans out, he's a star. So the more you reel in the better your chances are.

    I do think there's a very fine line between winning 7 games every year and winning 9 or 10 games consistently. If a couple of those 4 star defensive linemen pan out and/or DB's pan out, we probably win 2 more games in 2011, 2012 and 2013. However, that did not happen. I don't think it's identifying the talent because most of those 4 star guys have offers from some of the factories. For whatever reason, we're not doing a good job of developing these guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CobbTech View Post
    I agree with this. It's not an exact science and there are some sketchy situations where, like this year, UGA flips a 2 star and all of a sudden he's a 4 star. But typically if a 4 or 5 star guy pans out, he's a star. So the more you reel in the better your chances are.

    I do think there's a very fine line between winning 7 games every year and winning 9 or 10 games consistently. If a couple of those 4 star defensive linemen pan out and/or DB's pan out, we probably win 2 more games in 2011, 2012 and 2013. However, that did not happen. I don't think it's identifying the talent because most of those 4 star guys have offers from some of the factories. For whatever reason, we're not doing a good job of developing these guys.
    Cobby you are getting close to the answer....we are either playing as well as we can with what we have ,and thats true in lot of cases, or we are not getting the most out of our athletes..Of course coaching is questionable on the latter but to me,its not the stars that count its what do we do with them on the field.I finished watching bunch of tech vids posted on old tech teams such as 90 team and 89 team and man when you compare what Ross and Gol had vs today it makes you want to go back to a gentler time.I know the excuse or reason that it was easier to get players back then but gosh....they had a bunch..They also seemed to be a cohesive group which I dont see at the flats now days.You are right though if one player plays beyond his ability ...you can win a couple you were not supposed to win.I have visited Ga several times and watch them practice and its like watching the NFL due to the abundance of talent but ...........not so impressed with their coaching due to the many disciplinary problems they have yr after ye after yr. Give me the Rock Perdoni type guy who on paper shouldnt even play at this level but .......doesnt know it..........we will get better but i confess do not know when......keep the faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CobbTech View Post
    I agree with this. It's not an exact science and there are some sketchy situations where, like this year, UGA flips a 2 star and all of a sudden he's a 4 star. But typically if a 4 or 5 star guy pans out, he's a star. So the more you reel in the better your chances are.

    I do think there's a very fine line between winning 7 games every year and winning 9 or 10 games consistently. If a couple of those 4 star defensive linemen pan out and/or DB's pan out, we probably win 2 more games in 2011, 2012 and 2013. However, that did not happen. I don't think it's identifying the talent because most of those 4 star guys have offers from some of the factories. For whatever reason, we're not doing a good job of developing these guys.
    That's a pretty fair statement. We have to make our living identifying potential in under the radar guys that get passed over by the factories due to size or whatever and also on player development. Honestly, I think we are lacking in player development, whether that's due to poor evaluation during the recruiting process (i.e., not much to develop) or lack of coaching, etc., who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaMGTmjr View Post
    That's a pretty fair statement. We have to make our living identifying potential in under the radar guys that get passed over by the factories due to size or whatever and also on player development. Honestly, I think we are lacking in player development, whether that's due to poor evaluation during the recruiting process (i.e., not much to develop) or lack of coaching, etc., who knows.
    To a certain extent yes, but also not necessarily.

    We don't need under the radar guys, the Metro Atl. Area is #3 in the USA for producing NFL players among Urban Areas, the State of Ga. is #4 for producing BCS level players, also, the the state of Ga. is #1 for producing SEC signees, that is too much talent too close to GT for GT to have to find "under the radar guys".

    All we need is 22 guys each year that can play CFB at a very high level and graduate with a degree in BUSINESS (BS not BA), of that 22 if we sign 16 "real FB players each year" plus 6 "reaches", we'll hit our yearly 22 and we'll upgrade our talent level exponentially roster-wide.

    GT's problem is that CPJ's "system" hurts our Offensive recruiting really bad, our Academics hurts our ability to get the 300-lb. interior DTs out of HS.

    GT should be able to recruit EVERY POSITION really well except interior DLs with size, and when we do get a chance to sign a Sawyers or a Stephon Tuitt we have to go .500 or maybe .333 (1 of 3), we cannot afford to go .000 (o-fer) when it come to big guys on the DL that can graduate from GT.

    GT's #1 issue is CPJ's hatred of Recruiting, and his inability to recruit well.

    All we really need is 16 pretty good Recruits each year, that's not a lot even if they do have to major in BUSINESS at GT.

    CPJ has no more excuses, and GT fans should stop making excuses for CPJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeBanning View Post

    CPJ has no more excuses, and GT fans should stop making excuses for CPJ.
    GT fans are the only people in America still defending Johnson and this joke of an offense. Absolutely no one believes this stupid HS scheme can win bigtime football games in the NCAA. It's a joke and Johnson has made us irrelevant.

    After another 7-win season, hopefully the AD will make the necessary change and cut bait with this arrogant assshole of a coach.

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    We were irrelevant long before Johnson, ha. PJ isn't the problem, he just isn't the solution. We hoped his offense would be the snake oil we needed, but alas! it needs talent to run it well enough to beat better teams!
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