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    Example of GT recruitment issues

    There seems to be some disconnect at GT over recruiting prospects. There is a situation at a local HS that disturbs me. CBB is the recruiter assigned to a 6' 6" 320 lb. junior O-lineman. He has been very interested in GT for a long time. CPJ has met the kid and they appear to be interested. The problem is that CBB recently visited the school and was talking to another possible recruit at the school. The entire time he was there, he never even checked in on this junior O-lineman at all. The young man already has an offer from an SEC school and has had talks with 2 other top level SEC schools and a top level ACC school. Wouldn't it make sense to at least check in with the 6' 6" junior O-lineman while trying to sign the other kid? Also of note, grades are not a problem with this particular kid. Very interesting that they don't seem to want to cultivate a rapport with the recruits and their families. What a shame. And that's just one story. That's the kind of thing that leads to GT ranking next to last in recruiting in the lowly ACC.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zenbuzz View Post
    There seems to be some disconnect at GT over recruiting prospects. There is a situation at a local HS that disturbs me. CBB is the recruiter assigned to a 6' 6" 320 lb. junior O-lineman. He has been very interested in GT for a long time. CPJ has met the kid and they appear to be interested. The problem is that CBB recently visited the school and was talking to another possible recruit at the school. The entire time he was there, he never even checked in on this junior O-lineman at all. The young man already has an offer from an SEC school and has had talks with 2 other top level SEC schools and a top level ACC school. Wouldn't it make sense to at least check in with the 6' 6" junior O-lineman while trying to sign the other kid? Also of note, grades are not a problem with this particular kid. Very interesting that they don't seem to want to cultivate a rapport with the recruits and their families. What a shame. And that's just one story. That's the kind of thing that leads to GT ranking next to last in recruiting in the lowly ACC.
    Aren't there restrictions on the number of times you can visit a recruit in person? I agree with your premise that we should be going out of our way to see kids as often as possible to "show the love", but sometimes the staff really isn't allowed to.

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    Sounds like you a close to this situation. Maybe not, I dunno. But it's very hard to make assumptions based on partial information. Who knows why the coach didn't "check in" on the kid. There could be a dozen legitimate reasons. Maybe the kid was in class taking a test? Maybe he didn't have a break in his schedule over the time period the coach planned on being there? Maybe the coach had an appointment with another prospect? Maybe the coach texted or called him and said "Yo son, I'll be at your school tomorrow but only for a brief time and I gotta see so and so. I'll check in with ya next time."

    Even if this case is as you say, to extrapolate we don't cultivate relationships with kids as a general course of action across the whole staff based on this one incident is ridiculous.
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    I'm sure that coaches can shake hands with any football player in the locker room, even if he is on a visit to see another player. Happens all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenbuzz View Post
    I'm sure that coaches can shake hands with any football player in the locker room, even if he is on a visit to see another player. Happens all the time.
    I think I read somewhere a while back that they are allowed to say "hello" or nod if they happen to pass them in the hall. Any other contact counts as a visit/contact and those are closely watched and limited.
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    We are on probation and must follow the rules to a T. You are only allowed a certain amount of times to visit a recruit in person. My guess is this is one of those wink wink rules but we are in a different situation basically over $350.00.

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    Apparently out terrible ranking is due to small class size. Avg star has us at #6 in ACC, but I think you do have to consider # of players pretty hard too. If we offered more players, we'd probably have to lower our standards to give out all of our scholarships. Didn't we have a small class last year too? Is
    This going to catch up with us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dressedcheeseside View Post
    Sounds like you a close to this situation. Maybe not, I dunno. But it's very hard to make assumptions based on partial information. Who knows why the coach didn't "check in" on the kid. There could be a dozen legitimate reasons. Maybe the kid was in class taking a test? Maybe he didn't have a break in his schedule over the time period the coach planned on being there? Maybe the coach had an appointment with another prospect? Maybe the coach texted or called him and said "Yo son, I'll be at your school tomorrow but only for a brief time and I gotta see so and so. I'll check in with ya next time."

    Even if this case is as you say, to extrapolate we don't cultivate relationships with kids as a general course of action across the whole staff based on this one incident is ridiculous.
    Maybe not so ridiculous if the perception of the recruit or his family is affected. Also If one coach is ineffective at recruiting, it does reflect on the whole staff. There should be some unified approach to recruiting by the coaching staff. After all, we have a very low number of verbals and have lost guys regularly. I know others have too, but the other schools that lose players maintain a full slate of signees. We don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaMGTmjr View Post
    Apparently out terrible ranking is due to small class size. Avg star has us at #6 in ACC, but I think you do have to consider # of players pretty hard too. If we offered more players, we'd probably have to lower our standards to give out all of our scholarships. Didn't we have a small class last year too? Is
    This going to catch up with us?
    No, the low ranking is because the players that we end up signing are not judged to be as good as what the other teams are signing---the accuracy of the evaluation process, notwithstanding (my favorite word, btw). We fare okay against the Temples and Marshalls and FAU's of the world. Against FSU, Georgia, Vanderbilt, and North Carolina, not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukonwreck View Post
    No, the low ranking is because the players that we end up signing are not judged to be as good as what the other teams are signing---the accuracy of the evaluation process, notwithstanding (my favorite word, btw). We fare okay against the Temples and Marshalls and FAU's of the world. Against FSU, Georgia, Vanderbilt, and North Carolina, not so much.
    Sorry, Yuke, but you're only half right. Per Rivals (and Scout works the same way), teams are ranked by adding the total number of points from all of their recruits. Thus Texas A&M is ranked #7 as of this morning with an average star ranking of 3.44, ahead of Southern Cal at #11 with an average star ranking of a whopping 4.42. How? Because A&M has got commitments (as of 6:00 AM today) from 32 athletes, giving them a team point total of 2,409, well ahead of USC's team point total of 2,198 based on 12 commitments.

    Team point totals is a foolish way to rank classes because it can be an irrelevant and even misleading number with respect to the health of a program. For example: If a team has a ton of attrition due to early withdrawals - suspensions, transfers, early NFL exits - they will have to fill holes by signing a large class. Contrast that with a team that has little attrition and is loaded with a balance of classes, including juniors and seniors, and therefore has a smaller class (remember, there is a limit on how many athletes on scholarship that a team can carry) but one that meets its manpower needs. All other things equal (stars, character, ability to stay in school, etc.), which team had the stronger class?

    I think two metrics matter: 1. Filling needs; 2. Ability of the class to contribute (very difficult, if not impossible, to know and "rank" on National Signing Day).

    Note that "stars" aren't on my list. That's because I'd rather have Orwin Smith (3 star) than Isiah Crowell (5 star). Both great athletes, but quite a difference in character and impact on a program.

    All of that said, how are we doing? Not as bad as the naysayers would have us believe, but not as good as we need to be a top tier team. If our new defensive coaches can bring in some monsters on that side of the ball, we'll fill a glaring need (metric #1 above) and be well on our way to a good recruiting class next year. To end on a positive note, their are some kids with real impact potential in this group - Butker, Devine, and Custis, among several others. Hey, for that matter, they ALL might prove to be great - you never know at this point. But I would have liked to see 2-3 more quality athletes added. Who knows- we still might. The day is young. And if we don't we'll be able to sign a few more next year with our new coaches, reportedly great recruiters, in place.

    Enjoy the day, guys - and THWG.
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