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    Quote Originally Posted by PantherPaw View Post
    I believe that if VL would have played the entire Duke game we wouldn't be in the position we are in now. VL didn't appear to have "it" Saturday. He looked like a different player than he did against UNC. He appeared nervous and tight. If Tevin would have thrown the passes VL did the boo birds wouyld have been very loud. IMO CPJ did the right thing for this years team. I'm not saying that it shouldn't change next week but I understand him riding the hot hand. All I want are wins....don't give a crap who we get them with or how we get them.
    Really? He had 2 series and one was with like a minute left. He didn't look bad on his first drive. He threw a couple of bad passes, so what. He's a RS Fr and only threw, what, 4 passes the whole game? If he's throwing terrible balls as a RS Sr. then yes he'll hear the boo birds.

    The jury is still out if PJ did the right thing for this team. You have to remember, we are still 6-5 and have a decent chance of going 6-8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dressedcheeseside View Post
    All of us want the same thing, a champion on the flats. Some of us see us heading in the right direction, some don't. I get that. What I don't get is when our team, wearing our colors, wins on our hallowed field, and then some of our "fans" have the gall to come on a fan board and crap all over it. That's what I don't get.
    This is what our country has devolved into. Many want us to fail miserably so they can get their way. They'd just as soon have us get crushed in the next 3 games because in their opinion it just accelerates the process. Can't say I understand the logic. On my worst teams I always thought we could win. Maybe that's why I had the pleasure of enjoying many upsets.

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    I don't see any point to this thread anymore. We all want to win against UGA. That's the only thing that matters. We can and I'm sure will dissect the game to bits if we lose. If we win, we'll be happy (atleast most will). Some will be disappointed that they don't get to be miserable. Some will be disappointed that PJ will still be around. But most will be happy.

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    Originally Posted by dressedcheeseside

    All of us want the same thing, a champion on the flats. Some of us see us heading in the right direction, some don't. I get that. What I don't get is when our team, wearing our colors, wins on our hallowed field, and then some of our "fans" have the gall to come on a fan board and crap all over it. That's what I don't get.

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyTurns View Post
    This is what our country has devolved into. Many want us to fail miserably so they can get their way. They'd just as soon have us get crushed in the next 3 games because in their opinion it just accelerates the process. Can't say I understand the logic. On my worst teams I always thought we could win. Maybe that's why I had the pleasure of enjoying many upsets.
    First of all, I was at the game, which meant that I spent my money and my time to come and watch and cheer MY team play. Second, I have never ever wanted MY team to lose. I would rather be dead wrong and happy that we are winning than to be right and miserable because we are losing. I have said it many times - I DO NOT WANT CPJ FIRED. If he gets fired, it means my team has gone in the tank.

    Finally - what I and others don't get is how the rah-rah, gold glasses wearing crowd can get so excited over beating Duke. Newsflash - we are supposed to beat Duke and beat them badly - every year. I don't get how you and others can look at the athletes we have and believe they compare with the makeup of top 25 football teams. Our recruiting is sub-standared, our defense is sub-standarded, our ST are sub-standarded, and our passing game is sub-standarded. That is not crapping all over the football team - it is the honest truth based on years of watching college football.

    Come on cheese - you and I went to school at the same time so you had to be there for the wonderful NC season. Our players today are smaller, slower, and not nearly as athletic as what we had 20 years ago! I realize that was a special team and recruiting is harder now than what it was then, but with all of the advances in weight room training, exercise, and diet, we shouldn't be less athletic than then!

    I am very proud that our boys have bowed up and won the last three games. They certainly could have laid down and quit. The win over UNC was impressive. Tevin has responded to the criticism very well and has once again shown himself to be a fine representative of our institute. But that does not mean we have arrived, or that CPJ has been right about Tevin. You have been so quick to jump on me and my opinions about this season when your own prognostications have been WOEFULLY WRONG all year. Let's see what happens the next two weeks and then we can make a true evaluation of where this team stands.

    As a matter of fact cheese, if we beat UGA with TW playing even 50% of the snaps, I will personally start a thread where I apologize to you for ever questioning your football acumen. And quite frankly that is a post I would love to make. Nothing would make me happier than to have to come on this board and grovel if it means we win on Saturday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 91Wreck View Post

    Finally - what I and others don't get is how the rah-rah, gold glasses wearing crowd can get so excited over beating Duke. Newsflash - we are supposed to beat Duke and beat them badly - every year. I don't get how you and others can look at the athletes we have and believe they compare with the makeup of top 25 football teams. Our recruiting is sub-standared, our defense is sub-standarded, our ST are sub-standarded, and our passing game is sub-standarded. That is not crapping all over the football team - it is the honest truth based on years of watching college football.
    Regarding Duke, the way this season has gone, it was not a given. There were a bunch of threads where people gave Duke a 50/50 shot. Maybe that's an indictment of the state of the program. But it is what it is. But regardless of anything, I'm always happy with a GT win. Even if it is over MTSU... oops. Well, we didn't win that one.

    I don't think anyone doubts that we have a less talented team than UGA. I mean, one would have to be delusional to think that. If you look at the threads on the board, everyone has very tempered expectations. So I don't think you are displaying tremendous football acumen by calling out the obvious.

    The TW/VL debate will continue until the end of the season. Again, everyone understands that VL has more upside. That was never a question. The question is, has he mastered the plays well enough to efficiently lead the team with mistake-free football in a variety of situations. This question is extremely difficult to answer. The game of football is much more complicated than we think.

    When somebody says VL may not have a full grasp of the offense, people immediately jump in and say, how hard is handing off the ball and pitching it. Well, if you think that's all there is, it means that you are considerably minimizing the complexity of the game. Why? Because, defenses are not stagnant. They stunt, they check, they blitz and a myriad other things that I don't know but others like Stylee, BP and Boomer could elucidate. If you don't understand these and are not prepared for all these situations, you are going to be at a severe disadvantage. If you keep the ball based on the DE on a cross charge and then go on to pitch it, you could have something catastrophic happen. Face it folks. The game is not as simple as we make it. It's not like you can master all the intricacies and wrinkles of the opposing D in a day. It takes time and effort. Even if you understand it, to be able to apply it with bullets flying when the D will keep changing alignments until the snap, is not easy.

    To be honest, I think VL played the UNC game because of how the UNC D played. TW played the Duke game because of how the Duke D played. UNC dared us to throw the ball and VL being the better passer played. Duke dared us to execute the offense to perfection and so TW played. If VL had played, maybe we would have won, maybe not. Like Cutcliffe said, executing the O without mistakes is not an easy task. So much ball handling and no turnovers. That's commendable. Could VL have done it? Maybe, but probably not. It is not an indictment of his abilities or intelligence. Things take time. As fans, we get impatient. But coaches don't have that luxury. They have a game to win.

    If anybody thinks that TW played because of senior day or some weird notion of loyalty, they are dead wrong. TW played because he was more suited to the extensive ball handling that was dictated by Duke's D. I don't think CPJ has any loyalty to TW like a lot of fans think. This is actually, something that every fanbase thinks. I live in Cali and people here think Jeff Tedford is being loyal to his QB. It is simply not true. Coaches play whoever gives the team the best chance at victory. They can't compromise the efforts of 85 scholarship players, many non-scholarship players, the assistant coaches and myriad others because of some lofty notion of loyalty. If they did that, there would be serious grumbling and pretty soon, open revolt. After all, these guys put their blood, sweat and tears in every day.

    Now the other question is, why doesn't CPJ change the O to something that Vad can do. He actually answered this question. He can only change it to the extent that the other 10 players on the field are capable of supporting what Vad can do. The OL are recruited for the CPJ system. They've improved their pass blocking. But let me tell you, right now, that they'll never be able to consistently protect the QB if the D knows that we are going to throw. So yes, he does change it. But he can't make wholesale changes for one player. There are 11 players on the football field and if 5 of them can't do what they are being asked to do on a certain play, even superman at QB is not going to get it right.

    I'll end by saying this. I'm definitely not happy with how this season has gone. But the team is still showing life. So I applaud them for that. Having said that, I will also say that Paul Johnson has forgotten more football than I (and presumably most on this board) can learn in several lifetimes. So, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. If he has another trainwreck of a season, next year, it'll be time to part ways. If it does happen, I don't think it'll be because he doesn't know football or makes questionable decisions, as much as he is just not a good fit for GT.
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    Fantastic post (mention of me not factored into that analysis).

    As to the quality of this win:

    Notes: Tech honed in on Bulldogs | Georgia Tech

    "5. A week after recording 100 knockdown blocks against North Carolina, which was a team best in Johnson’s five seasons, the Tech offense did one better, putting Duke defenders on the ground 101 times on 86 plays. Guard Shaquille Mason was responsible for 28 of those blocks.

    Said Johnson, “It’s going in the right direction."

    Shaq Mason, doin' it!

    Easier to knock down dookies than the dawgs right now, but it's more encouraging than discouraging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stylee View Post
    Fantastic post (mention of me not factored into that analysis).

    As to the quality of this win:

    Notes: Tech honed in on Bulldogs | Georgia Tech

    "5. A week after recording 100 knockdown blocks against North Carolina, which was a team best in Johnson’s five seasons, the Tech offense did one better, putting Duke defenders on the ground 101 times on 86 plays. Guard Shaquille Mason was responsible for 28 of those blocks.

    Said Johnson, “It’s going in the right direction."

    Shaq Mason, doin' it!

    Easier to knock down dookies than the dawgs right now, but it's more encouraging than discouraging.
    I think the knockdown statistic is an incorrect indicator since it doesn't take number of plays into account. What we need is knockdowns/play. That should tell us more about the blocking.

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    Good point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stylee View Post
    Fantastic post (mention of me not factored into that analysis).

    "5. A week after recording 100 knockdown blocks against North Carolina, which was a team best in Johnson’s five seasons, the Tech offense did one better, putting Duke defenders on the ground 101 times on 86 plays. Guard Shaquille Mason was responsible for 28 of those blocks.

    Said Johnson, “It’s going in the right direction."

    Shaq Mason, doin' it!

    Easier to knock down dookies than the dawgs right now, but it's more encouraging than discouraging.
    It's encouraging that it's happening, but the hope was that we'd be doing this at the beginning of the season. The OL was supposed to be the strength of the offense. Coach Sewak getting a fire lit under him, hmm? Better late than never, I suppose.

    BTW, stylee, why spread left as your avatar?

 

 
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