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Something I've always wondered is how an individual can get an MBA at Harvard in a year but it takes a couple years or more for a Georgia Tech QB to learn how to effectively run and execute Paul Johnson's offense.
Anyone want to take a stab at solving the mystery?
And this is a prevalent offense among high schools...if its do damn hard, why do they run it? I always thought it was because its easier for a QB to learn to read a DE than a secondary and deliver an accurate pass. I know I am probably way over simplifying it, but isn't that a simple read? At least easy enough to learn after a year of reps? I have never understood it either. We installed the triple O my senior year in HS in the middle of the season and ran it well, granted HS Ds are more limited than what a collegiate D will throw at you. And how in the hell is it so hard to take a snap...after a year of practice?!
It's like when I hear people talk about how hard the mesh is to get down...it's not hard at all. I learned it in a week and had no issues. That's just my experience in white boy HS football but the same principles apply...the football is just a little bigger.
Last edited by HelluvaMGTmjr; 04-27-2012 at 09:41 AM.
Running the TO from under center with the speed of the college game makes it a steep learning curve for young QB's. Making the split second reads requires tons of reps and tons of "muscle memory". It is much more difficult to make these decisions close to the line of scrimmage then sitting back in a shotgun and reading DB's. Marist runs the TO and they groom those kids from 7th grade on. It is a very effective offense and is perfect for the kind of athletes we get at GT but requires a lot of reps and concentration.
It must be as you say. I'm certainly not questioning CPJ, he's the 3-0 guru for sure and has taught dozens and dozens of QBs the system. It just boggles my mind that it's so hard to learn.
I still cant believe it's easier to read an entire defense and 2ndary and make your progressions to find an open WR while bodies are flying at you and around you than it is to read one player under more static circumstances.
And the snap thing...I just don't get it. Oh well.
The reason it is so effective is the VERY fast decision making and reaction it takes for the defense-otoh-it takes a HUGE amount of time to perfect the timing and coordination.
I'm sure speed of reads and footwork have something to do with it. Plus, we have a lot of different reads depending on which variation of the option we are running that play. Add to that the things Ds do to try and disguise their movements and you have a fairly complicated task list. However, on the surface it doesn't sound any more difficult than reading secondaries etc etc in the passing game. Who knows? I would suck at QB anyways. I don't know how those guys can do it.
back to the QBs--(JN was) and TW is a one dimensional QB. when all a D really has to do is stuff the box, it makes everything that much tougher to execute cause you're relying so heavily on one facet of this offense and the D is hellbent on stopping that one facet cause they don't have to worry about being beat through the air. yeah, we had some success through the air in '09 with bay bay. but, that's the outlier so far.
we get a true passer in this system who can genuinely keep D's honest--else, they'll get their asses burned through the air--and, making those run reads will be easier cause the D won't have every soul within 7 yards of the QB at the snap.
Last edited by stonedwall; 04-27-2012 at 01:41 PM.
I don't think it's super difficult the way some people describe it. Some guys obviously are going to have more of a natural aptitude for it than others, but, for the most part, it's teachable.
The main thing is getting them to recognize who their reads are. Then you just rep the hell out of it until it's muscle memory.
Getting them to react to a "hot" or blitzing outside linebacker takes a lot of conscious work to get it to the point that it becomes unconscious, for instance.
I don't think it's necessarily a tougher offense to learn than some of the junkier shotgun spreads out there.
By "junkier" I mean those offenses that are a sort of mishmash of different spread concepts thrown together. I see this at the collegiate level sometimes - it's almost as if the college OCs are actually listening to message board guys who want to see the Atomic Nuclear Flamethrower Wildcat Spread; short passing game, deep concepts, a little run and shoot, some zone read option, some power running, some misdirection, some X, Y, and Z. "Evolved" "Diverse" "Spread" buzzword buzzword buzzword.
Our offense - like June Jones' or RichRod's etc - has some core philosophical concepts that everything else builds on. That's easier to package and teach than the ANFWS Offense (tm).
I think when people talk about, for instance, Vad "actually getting a few reads right" they're being hyperbolic. My worst QB was probably 60-65% on his reads. That's minor league football with very little time to work on them. Yes, FBS defenders are better, but I wouldn't expect any of our QBs to be worse than 70% on a bad day. We generally expect them to be at 80-85%, IMO.