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    Offensive Systems and Recruiting

    A great article by the guys at Smartfootball.com (one of my favorite FB sites...btw) that focuses on recruiting to your system, and how each affects the other.

    The interplay of recruiting, eliteness and pro-style versus spread schemes | Smart Football

    For GT fans who love to shout "Recruiting rankings don't mean squat because the recruiting system doesn't rate the type of players we need that high" this will be of interest:

    "For everyone else having an identity and being somewhat contrarian helps a lot because it allows you to focus your recruiting on guys that can help you, and in many cases it means you don’t have to compete with some other teams for those guys. It also means the traditional scouting services may overrated or underrate your recruiting class — you may have gotten a bunch of guys who will contribute but get a low ranking, or you may have missed a lot of guys you needed but wind up with a disproportionately high ranking because you got one or two guys who, while helpful, may not even be your most productive guys. Moreover, because you have a system with specific skills required, you can develop those skills. "

    Also a GT mention:

    How familiar are your opponents with your scheme? The less familiar they are the more you can “buy time” with smoke and mirrors while you get better (when Georgia Tech won the ACC in Paul Johnson’s first season, they weren’t a great flexbone team but they had big surprise advantages that first year; some random spread team or even pro-style team doesn’t really catch people off guard anymore)

    The only problem with the point above is that in CPJ's second year, when the ACC got "familiar" with his offense, GT had one of the best years in the history of the program with players recruited for a "pro-style" team, and other players not deemed as prototypical "flexbone players". It proves the saying: Great players are great players regardless of what scheme they play in.
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    Nesbitt, though not a prototypical option qb, was tremendous for GT because of his running prowess and toughness. He was less accurate than Tevin and terrible at pass reading defenses so he was surely not a prototypical pocket qb. The fact that he didn't have to throw it 30 times a game was a blessing for this kid.

    Dwyer, was a protoypical Bback, CPJ has said so.

    Thomas was as perfect a fit for the flexbone as you can find in a WR.

    Those 3 players, as close to prototypical as you can get, comprised 75%+ of our offense and made up for most of the short comings of the patchwork OL. (Iowa and LSU showed us what happens when you don't have "prototypical OL" against great defenses.)

    The Abacks played a smaller role in the offense than in 2011.

    Not sure of your point unless it's great players are great players which I wholeheartedly agree.

    Imagine how good our O would have been in '09 had we had a protypical OL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dressedcheeseside View Post
    Nesbitt, though not a prototypical option qb, was tremendous for GT because of his running prowess and toughness. He was less accurate than Tevin and terrible at pass reading defenses so he was surely not a prototypical pocket qb. The fact that he didn't have to throw it 30 times a game was a blessing for this kid.

    Dwyer, was a protoypical Bback, CPJ has said so.

    Thomas was as perfect a fit for the flexbone as you can find in a WR.

    Those 3 players, as close to prototypical as you can get, comprised 75%+ of our offense and made up for most of the short comings of the patchwork OL. (Iowa and LSU showed us what happens when you don't have "prototypical OL" against great defenses.)

    The Abacks played a smaller role in the offense than in 2011.

    Not sure of your point unless it's great players are great players which I wholeheartedly agree.

    Imagine how good our O would have been in '09 had we had a protypical OL.
    SMH...someone is touchy and quick on the trigger today. Did you read my ENTIRE statement in regards to what the writer said?!!

    The only problem with the point above is that in CPJ's second year, when the ACC got "familiar" with his offense (Self Explanatory), GT had one of the best years in the history of the program with players recruited for a "pro-style" team (Were Dwyer, Nesbitt, Thomas, as well as our other skilled players NOT recruited under Gailey's "pro" offense?), and other players not deemed as prototypical "flexbone players (You just made my point with "prototypical OL"...as well as the fact we had converted TE and DL for Olinemen)".

    Dude, seriously...quit being a girl and getting all overly emotional about things. Be a MAN!!!

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    I don't know where you get "emotional" out of what I posted, it was stated very matter of factly.

    So what if the big three were recruited for a "pro-style" team? They fit the mold for what PJ does and were very good at what they did.

    Btw, I agee with the point that we benefitted from a surprise factor in '08. You don't?

    As for running a different scheme than almost everybody else, it has is advantages and disadvantages in recruiting. It may help us land that critical dual threat qb/athlete who really wants to play qb in college, however, if he want to go to the NFL, the factories have a good argument for switching positions. It may help us land more OL's suitable to our scheme as they tend to be smaller than the typical factory pass blocking behemoth. It helps us with the really fast small backs passed over by the factories who can play Aback for us. Bay Bay has shown that GT is not a place where wr's with NFL aspirations go to die, but the low number of catches is still a hard sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dressedcheeseside View Post
    I don't know where you get "emotional" out of what I posted, it was stated very matter of factly.

    So what if the big three were recruited for a "pro-style" team? They fit the mold for what PJ does and were very good at what they did.

    Btw, I agee with the point that we benefitted from a surprise factor in '08. You don't?

    As for running a different scheme than almost everybody else, it has is advantages and disadvantages in recruiting. It may help us land that critical dual threat qb/athlete who really wants to play qb in college, however, if he want to go to the NFL, the factories have a good argument for switching positions. It may help us land more OL's suitable to our scheme as they tend to be smaller than the typical factory pass blocking behemoth. It helps us with the really fast small backs passed over by the factories who can play Aback for us. Bay Bay has shown that GT is not a place where wr's with NFL aspirations go to die, but the low number of catches is still a hard sell.
    Why would you feel the need to cite JD, Nesbone, or BeBe as being perfect for CPJ's offense? When did I ever say they weren't? I was just pointing out facts. That's pretty much understood in my statement...by most people anyways. It has nothing to do with "So what if the big three were recruited for a "pro-style" team?" Don't make it an issue.

    2008 has nothing to do with my statement. I was speaking about "CPJ's second year" in which we won 11 games, the ACC championship, and went to a BCS bowl. That was all in 2009...which the "surprise" factor should not have been one since the conference already saw it. Yet we improved on 2008. That was my point.

    I'm not making it an issue...jeez...some people on here just can't appreciate a good article. Always getting their vaginas hurt anytime they "perceive" an imaginary insult towards GT or CPJ. Get. Over. It!

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    The big 2 would've been good in any offense, perhaps better in a Pro offense actually, especially Dwyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllGT View Post
    Always getting their vaginas hurt anytime they "perceive" an imaginary insult towards GT or CPJ. Get. Over. It!
    Just because you have one doesn't mean everyone else on this board does. Try to keep the discussion about football and away from the personal insults, this ain't ST.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dressedcheeseside View Post
    Just because you have one doesn't mean everyone else on this board does. Try to keep the discussion about football and away from the personal insults, this ain't ST.
    I was actually speaking in general about CPJ "fanboys" and GT homers...it wasn't a direct "personal insult" on anyone...but if you misinterpret it like the OP, that's on you.

 

 

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