• Paul Johnson's QB Dilemna

    You have a starting a QB who is really struggling with your base offense. The excuses are starting to wear thin. Vad saw extensive playing time last year and has played 9 games this year, so the experience excuse is running out of steam.
    Ideally you may be better off going to more of a run and shoot, but the o-line can't pass block and Coach Johnson is not totally comfortable with that.

    The other option is going with Justin Thomas. Thomas is clearly the better option QB. Johnson isn't Gailey stubborn when it comes to QB's. He will pull a struggling QB.

    So why is he is sticking with Vad? I think there may be a couple of reasons. Thomas has telegraphed some of his passes. Also, it may be the physical difference. Vad is a solid 6-2 over 200 pounds. Thomas is generously listed at 5'11 and I doubt weighs more than 180 pounds.

    The problem going forward is that the defense is not going to hold UGA and Clemson to 10 points. We'll need to score more against two defenses that have looked shaky this year. Right now, I have my doubts if Vad can put up those kind of points. If we don't, we limp home 7-5 with a 5-5 record against FBS teams.
    Comments 52 Comments
    1. alagold's Avatar
      alagold -
      Vad is playing much like I feared -as a new QB who never took a direct underCTR snap he still is learning the OFF.I'm actually surprised a bit we haven't had QB-Ctr exchange problems.I think Vad is MUCH less aggressive on runs since he fumbled in the uM game.he is an AVG QB at this point but he is still better than JT.

      JT is quick but at 175?lbs he has GOT to have blocking for room.No bulling over guys.He goes down QUICKLY when he is hit.
      That said he still gives a change of pace to Off.I'm amazed he didn't play in pitt game.Vad needed a break.Much like uM LAST yr when Tevin could gone out for Vad with 17 pt lead-I think PJ made a mistake in pitt game but lucked out with win,this time.
    1. CobbTech's Avatar
      CobbTech -
      Quote Originally Posted by Atllove View Post
      Vad is hurt btw.
      I bet Vad sits in a tub of ice sometimes and thinks to himself "Damn, I should have went to Duke." Kid is beat up. The time off couldn't have come at a better time.
      JT was too light in the britches to have that DT 97 midget tossing him into the stands.
      Such a stupid comment. I doubt he would rather be at Duke. We kick their *** every year. I highly doubt that he would rather play and be on a terrible team than play and be on a team that has a chance to be good, regardless of the offense.
    1. HelluvaMGTmjr's Avatar
      HelluvaMGTmjr -
      JT is a little too aggressive and takes risks. Not sure that's the best way to go when you have a close lead late in the game and your QB is doing ok.
    1. oldgoldandwhite's Avatar
      oldgoldandwhite -
      [QUOTE=3518techie;100709]JT has made a couple of bad decisions but he's much better than Vad at the option. QUOTE]

      Curious how you came to this conclusion? All the practices you have seen? If it is just game film, then we are watching two different Justin Thomas'. This is the same argument people used last year of Vad is better than Tevin. We saw how that turned out.
    1. HelluvaMGTmjr's Avatar
      HelluvaMGTmjr -
      Quote Originally Posted by CobbTech View Post
      Such a stupid comment. I doubt he would rather be at Duke. We kick their *** every year. I highly doubt that he would rather play and be on a terrible team than play and be on a team that has a chance to be good, regardless of the offense.
      Whoa...Duke is 6-2 with a victory over VT. Playing for Duke panned out well for Thad Lewis. Had he played in our offense, he'd be in a cubicle right now.
    1. HelluvaMGTmjr's Avatar
      HelluvaMGTmjr -
      [QUOTE=oldgoldandwhite;100759]
      Quote Originally Posted by 3518techie View Post
      JT has made a couple of bad decisions but he's much better than Vad at the option. QUOTE]

      Curious how you came to this conclusion? All the practices you have seen? If it is just game film, then we are watching two different Justin Thomas'. This is the same argument people used last year of Vad is better than Tevin. We saw how that turned out.
      JT is certainly quicker and more decisive on pitching/keeping but I don't see any advantage in actually making the right read. Hell, we rarely run true triple these days if what I'm reading is correct, so it's mostly a simple pitch read.
    1. CobbTech's Avatar
      CobbTech -
      Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaMGTmjr View Post
      Whoa...Duke is 6-2 with a victory over VT. Playing for Duke panned out well for Thad Lewis. Had he played in our offense, he'd be in a cubicle right now.
      Lol if we had Duke's schedule we would be 7-1 right now and would go 10-2. No BYU, UGA or Clemson. Still haven't played Miami or UNC. They have probably at least 2 more L's on their schedule. At least.

      And Thad Lewis was always a QB. Vad wasn't. Most schools wanted Vad as an ATH or a WR. Thad was more of a pro style QB. And we owned Duke when Thad was there too.

      When have we ever had a QB that panned out in the NFL? Even in a pro style offense?
    1. Jeagt's Avatar
      Jeagt -
      Honestly maybe it's time we fire PJ if for no other reason then every single thread on the board ends up a discussion on whether his offense is the devail incarnate or not.
    1. GT Man's Avatar
      GT Man -
      Quote Originally Posted by Jeagt View Post
      Honestly maybe it's time we fire PJ if for no other reason then every single thread on the board ends up a discussion on whether his offense is the devail incarnate or not.
      Yeah, these threads really suck the fun out of everything this year.
    1. Atllove's Avatar
      Atllove -
      Quote Originally Posted by CobbTech View Post
      Lol if we had Duke's schedule we would be 7-1 right now and would go 10-2. No BYU, UGA or Clemson. Still haven't played Miami or UNC. They have probably at least 2 more L's on their schedule. At least.

      And Thad Lewis was always a QB. Vad wasn't. Most schools wanted Vad as an ATH or a WR. Thad was more of a pro style QB. And we owned Duke when Thad was there too.

      When have we ever had a QB that panned out in the NFL? Even in a pro style offense?
      So the hypothetical comment about Vad wishing he'd gone to Duke was a dumb because?? (even though my intent was humor with the comment, I do feel there probably some truth to it)
    1. HelluvaMGTmjr's Avatar
      HelluvaMGTmjr -
      Quote Originally Posted by CobbTech View Post
      Lol if we had Duke's schedule we would be 7-1 right now and would go 10-2. No BYU, UGA or Clemson. Still haven't played Miami or UNC. They have probably at least 2 more L's on their schedule. At least.

      And Thad Lewis was always a QB. Vad wasn't. Most schools wanted Vad as an ATH or a WR. Thad was more of a pro style QB. And we owned Duke when Thad was there too.

      When have we ever had a QB that panned out in the NFL? Even in a pro style offense?
      Sean Renfree. It seems only fitting that PJ ran off the only NFL QB we've had in a generation.

      Thad was not highly recruited. 2-3* depending on which service. Vad was a QB. The point is why would any QB that can pass come to GT? Why would Jordan come to GT other than because he has few offers? Does anybody disagree that Vad would be a better QB playing for Duke than GT? That he would probably be a much better passer and student of the game with Cutcliffe than PJ? That QB at GT is basically wildcat. That PJ can say all day long that "Son, we want to pass more but we just need a QB like you to do it" but that's a lie because we don't have very good WRs, our OL sucks at pass pro because they are recruited based on agility and their ability to dive at legs, that PJ is a run first and second OC and that most of your time will be spent practicing 3 yard backward passes known as pitches, not working on your mechanics, reading 2ndaries etc. Vad is our best hope at proving PJ's recruiting pitch true. I know he's still young but I'm not seeing any new wrinkles or formations being utilized consistently, whether it's the OL's fault for sucking or PJ's play calling or Vad's slow development, I don't know

      Gosh, I hope recruits don't have your same attitude as to how to pick their college.
    1. Atllove's Avatar
      Atllove -
      David Cutcliffe has put 6 QB's in the NFL.
      Duke had the same regular season record as Tech last year and currently has a better record now.
      Cutcliffe recruited Vad as a QB the same position that he has a track record of molding into NFL caliber players.
      Vad and Cutcliffe have a great relationship.
      Cutcliffe transformed his offense to better maximize a player of Vad's skill set..
      Yet, my comment is dumb.. Right
    1. CobbTech's Avatar
      CobbTech -
      Quote Originally Posted by Atllove View Post
      So the hypothetical comment about Vad wishing he'd gone to Duke was a dumb because?? (even though my intent was humor with the comment, I do feel there probably some truth to it)
      He would rather go to a school that is one of the worst programs in the nation vs. a school that has won and competed for conference championships?
    1. lxUn1c0's Avatar
      lxUn1c0 -
      Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaMGTmjr View Post
      Sean Renfree. It seems only fitting that PJ ran off the only NFL QB we've had in a generation.
      I don't think you can count us as having had a QB who never stepped foot on campus. And the jury's still out on him panning out in the NFL, what with this being his first season, him being a 7th round draft pick, and the fact that he's already on IR. If he turns out to even be one of the top 15 NFL QBs during his career, I'll eat my hat.

      In order to keep Renfree, we would have had to keep Gailey. The reason Renfree was even moderately successful (emphasis on the moderately, as Duke went 12-25 with him as QB) at Duke is because Cutcliffe is a great QB coach. Under Gailey, he probably would have just been another Taylor Bennett.
    1. dressedcheeseside's Avatar
      dressedcheeseside -
      Quote Originally Posted by Atllove View Post
      Duke had the same regular season record as Tech last year and currently has a better record now.
      see post #25 in this very thread on this very page.

      post 25:

      CobbTech: Lol if we had Duke's schedule we would be 7-1 right now and would go 10-2. No BYU, UGA or Clemson. Still haven't played Miami or UNC. They have probably at least 2 more L's on their schedule. At least.
    1. CobbTech's Avatar
      CobbTech -
      Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaMGTmjr View Post
      Sean Renfree. It seems only fitting that PJ ran off the only NFL QB we've had in a generation.

      Thad was not highly recruited. 2-3* depending on which service. Vad was a QB. The point is why would any QB that can pass come to GT? Why would Jordan come to GT other than because he has few offers? Does anybody disagree that Vad would be a better QB playing for Duke than GT? That he would probably be a much better passer and student of the game with Cutcliffe than PJ? That QB at GT is basically wildcat. That PJ can say all day long that "Son, we want to pass more but we just need a QB like you to do it" but that's a lie because we don't have very good WRs, our OL sucks at pass pro because they are recruited based on agility and their ability to dive at legs, that PJ is a run first and second OC and that most of your time will be spent practicing 3 yard backward passes known as pitches, not working on your mechanics, reading 2ndaries etc. Vad is our best hope at proving PJ's recruiting pitch true. I know he's still young but I'm not seeing any new wrinkles or formations being utilized consistently, whether it's the OL's fault for sucking or PJ's play calling or Vad's slow development, I don't know

      Gosh, I hope recruits don't have your same attitude as to how to pick their college.
      So you hope our recruits don't have the same attitude as me? My attitude is I would rather start at a school that wins and has a chance to play for and win conference championships than play at a place that has been one of the worst programs of the last 20 years. Yep, terrible attitude to have.
    1. lxUn1c0's Avatar
      lxUn1c0 -
      Quote Originally Posted by alagold View Post
      I'm actually surprised a bit we haven't had QB-Ctr exchange problems.
      We've had some of those. The fumble in the 1st quarter against VT was a botched exchange, and it directly led to a TD. We've botched a few other snaps, too. I'm pretty surprised that we've recovered almost all of our botched snaps but one.

      Considering Vad wasn't a traditional, under-center QB in HS, it all seems about par for the course.
    1. dressedcheeseside's Avatar
      dressedcheeseside -
      Quote Originally Posted by lxUn1c0 View Post
      We've had some of those. The fumble in the 1st quarter against VT was a botched exchange, and it cost us the game
      fify.
    1. 3518techie's Avatar
      3518techie -
      You can view the page at http://gtsportstalk.com/content.php?...n-s-QB-Dilemna
    1. HelluvaMGTmjr's Avatar
      HelluvaMGTmjr -
      Quote Originally Posted by CobbTech View Post
      He would rather go to a school that is one of the worst programs in the nation vs. a school that has won and competed for conference championships?
      Well, maybe he would prefer the more prestigious university? Or maybe in hindsight he wishes he went somewhere to actually play QB... Similar to JT who could either win games/championships at Bama or play pretend QB at GT.