• GT Losing Battle in Living Rooms

    Analyze it however you want but you have to ask yourself...do you see any NFL prospects on the field for Tech today? We know what we saw over the past 20 years when we put player after player in the NFL.

    Recruiting IS at a worse standard today than anytime in the past 25 years. Forget the star system, even a fool can see we aren't getting the type of athlete we need to compete.

    The tough academic requirement does have an impact, but it provides more of an excuse to those who don't know better than it does on actual recruiting. I, like you, have been around it for 4 decades.

    The "academic" excuse was thrown around in the late 70's and 80's just like it is today. That was one national championship, many, many NFL draft picks and a bunch of competitive teams ago and here we go again with the same tired BS coming from supporters who choose to look the other way or have very short memories.

    The system is broken because of poor planning, oversight and execution. It's time right now for a change.
    This article was originally published in forum thread: The REAL battle we are losing is in living rooms. started by WindsofChange View original post
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    1. js-showman's Avatar
      js-showman -
      Quote Originally Posted by Animal View Post
      I am really tired of the "star" analysis.
      You and me both. UNC out recruits us every year. USC out recruited everyone and we handled them fine. We may not land the best recruits, but look who just dominated us. Try and explain to me again why we cannot out recruit Brigham Young.
      This is all BS.
    1. Animal's Avatar
      Animal -
      Quote Originally Posted by Randy Carson View Post
      Because we're not getting the stars. If we were...
      If we were getting the coaching we would be 6-0 right now.
    1. dressedcheeseside's Avatar
      dressedcheeseside -
      We are behind in talent to the teams that our beating us right now, but that's not the primary reason we are losing and looking bad. Vad has a lot of talent, but he cannot execute the parts of our offense designed to counter what defenses are doing right now. DC's have found our achilles' heel and are exploiting it to our death. It's not that we have no answer, it that our guys cannot execute it. There's a bunch of reasons why, talent being one, but it's not the only thing and it's not the primary thing. Inexperience and injuries are killing us, more than lack of talent. Even guys who are healthy are playing below the level they played at last year. Why is that?
    1. Animal's Avatar
      Animal -
      Quote Originally Posted by dressedcheeseside View Post
      We are behind in talent to the teams that our beating us right now, but that's not the primary reason we are losing and looking bad. Vad has a lot of talent, but he cannot execute the parts of our offense designed to counter what defenses are doing right now. DC's have found our achilles' heel and are exploiting it to our death. It's not that we have no answer, it that our guys cannot execute it. There's a bunch of reasons why, talent being one, but it's not the only thing and it's not the primary thing. Inexperience and injuries are killing us, more than lack of talent. Even guys who are healthy are playing below the level they played at last year. Why is that?
      Coaching
    1. dressedcheeseside's Avatar
      dressedcheeseside -
      Quote Originally Posted by Animal View Post
      Coaching
      Not buying it. If I played at say a B+ level last year and am now performing at a C-, it's on me not the coach.
    1. HelluvaMGTmjr's Avatar
      HelluvaMGTmjr -
      Sounds like the coach has no responsibility for any of this? Who is playing at a lower level? I assume you are talking about OL.

      What is Vad not executing? His pitches Have finally come around. He makes a poor decision every now and then but
      That's to be expected.
    1. dressedcheeseside's Avatar
      dressedcheeseside -
      Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaMGTmjr View Post
      Sounds like the coach has no responsibility for any of this? Who is playing at a lower level? I assume you are talking about OL.
      OL, yeah. What I mean is that if my performance regresses from one year to the next, it's on me and nobody else (unless the system changed and that's more of a learning curve issue and should be expected).
    1. Animal's Avatar
      Animal -
      Quote Originally Posted by dressedcheeseside View Post
      Not buying it. If I played at say a B+ level last year and am now performing at a C-, it's on me not the coach.
      It is up to the coach to have you playing at B+ level or bench your azz
    1. HelluvaMGTmjr's Avatar
      HelluvaMGTmjr -
      Quote Originally Posted by dressedcheeseside View Post
      OL, yeah. What I mean is that if my performance regresses from one year to the next, it's on me and nobody else (unless the system changed and that's more of a learning curve issue and should be expected).
      Isn't that what coaching is for? Where does the buck stop?
    1. dressedcheeseside's Avatar
      dressedcheeseside -
      Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaMGTmjr View Post
      Isn't that what coaching is for? Where does the buck stop?
      The coaches are not blameless, I concur with that. But why is there no personal responsibility on the players? Why are we absolving them? I bet if you ask them, they'd say they need to play better, especially the older guys. The false starting is totally on the individual. You can't count to 2????
    1. HelluvaMGTmjr's Avatar
      HelluvaMGTmjr -
      Quote Originally Posted by dressedcheeseside View Post
      The coaches are not blameless, I concur with that. But why is there no personal responsibility on the players? Why are we absolving them? I bet if you ask them, they'd say they need to play better, especially the older guys. The false starting is totally on the individual. You can't count to 2????
      We can't fire the players. They are PJ's responsibility because he recruited them and he coaches them. He is responsible for them. No HC would ever be fired with your mentality. It's like saying "it's not the coach's fault, the players just aren't executing" who is responsible for players executing? The coach! That is the game of football! The good coaches and players are good at executing their game plan. Every play in every offense is drawn up as a TD. It's the coaches job to see that their players are ready and prepared.
    1. dressedcheeseside's Avatar
      dressedcheeseside -
      Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaMGTmjr View Post
      We can't fire the players. They are PJ's responsibility because he recruited them and he coaches them. He is responsible for them. No HC would ever be fired with your mentality. It's like saying "it's not the coach's fault, the players just aren't executing" who is responsible for players executing? The coach! That is the game of football! The good coaches and players are good at executing their game plan. Every play in every offense is drawn up as a TD.
      Every play is not drawn up as a td. Remember our "draw them offsides" play? Then there's qb sneaks on 4th and 1 and underneath throws that most OC's expect to go for only the yards at the catch. Why do you think they call some guys "possession" receivers?

      Btw, I said the coaches deserves some blame. Did you not see that? Do I have to quote it for you. Oh what the hell, here ya go:

      me: The coaches are not blameless,
      Hell, you quoted the very same part in your last post.

      I've yet to hear you assign one iota of accountability to the players even to perform up to previous levels. Come on that's a no brainer. Did you always blame your coaches for your failings? When you miss a dove in the field, is that on your shooting coach?
    1. HelluvaMGTmjr's Avatar
      HelluvaMGTmjr -
      The players deserve a lot of blame, sure...but whose job is it to make sure they are focused and disciplined.

      It's like when I'm at a restaurant and some kid is screaming, I don't want to walk over and punch the kid, it's the parents' fault.

      The wasn't a one time incident. What we are seeing is a pattern and that is a systemic proplem, not isolated to one or two players.
    1. AllGT's Avatar
      AllGT -
      Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaMGTmjr View Post

      It's like when I'm at a restaurant and some kid is screaming, I don't want to walk over and punch the kid, it's the parents' fault.
      Wuss...
    1. dressedcheeseside's Avatar
      dressedcheeseside -
      Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaMGTmjr View Post
      The players deserve a lot of blame, sure...but whose job is it to make sure they are focused and disciplined.
      They are. It's called personal accountability. It's something that has disappeared in today's culture and its a damn shame.

      Btw, not sure why you used a screaming toddler as analogous to our 22 yr old 5th yr seniors. I doubt the guys would agree or like it.
    1. HelluvaMGTmjr's Avatar
      HelluvaMGTmjr -
      Quote Originally Posted by dressedcheeseside View Post
      They are. It's called personal accountability. It's something that has disappeared in today's culture and its a damn shame.

      Btw, not sure why you used a screaming toddler as analogous to our 22 yr old 5th yr seniors. I doubt the guys would agree or like it.
      And it's the coach's job to hold them accountable because at the end of the day he's the one making $2.6MM a year to develop and coach these kids. I mean not false starting is a basic principle of football at the peewee level. The fact that this is even a problem just shows how bad things are. This is not even acceptable on a JV squad. I think you are missing the bigger picture.
    1. dressedcheeseside's Avatar
      dressedcheeseside -
      Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaMGTmjr View Post
      And it's the coach's job to hold them accountable because at the end of the day he's the one making $2.6MM a year to develop and coach these kids. I mean not false starting is a basic principle of football at the peewee level. The fact that this is even a problem just shows how bad things are. This is not even acceptable on a JV squad. I think you are missing the bigger picture.
      How would you suggest that? Pull them out and put a guy in who's sure to be less effective? We don't have the luxury of a factory to pull our starters to "teach them a lesson." We have to keep the best 5 out there and hope they don't F***up again.
    1. Animal's Avatar
      Animal -
      Quote Originally Posted by dressedcheeseside View Post
      The coaches are not blameless, I concur with that. But why is there no personal responsibility on the players? Why are we absolving them? I bet if you ask them, they'd say they need to play better, especially the older guys. The false starting is totally on the individual. You can't count to 2????
      I played center in HS. Missed the snap count in practice on day. The coach made it quite clear that if I did that in the game I would be watching the rest of the game from the bench.. Never missed a snap count again.
    1. Animal's Avatar
      Animal -
      Quote Originally Posted by dressedcheeseside View Post
      How would you suggest that? Pull them out and put a guy in who's sure to be less effective? We don't have the luxury of a factory to pull our starters to "teach them a lesson." We have to keep the best 5 out there and hope they don't F***up again.
      Yes, I would pull them.....better to have a no gain play because of a missed block rather than loss of 5 yards because of a missed snap count.
    1. HelluvaMGTmjr's Avatar
      HelluvaMGTmjr -
      You're missing the big picture...the OL was supposed to be the biggest strength on the team and the best unit we've ever had in 6 years. But not only are they not blocking well and blowing assignments, they can't even get the snap right... For three consecutive games! That doesn't scare the **** out of you? We've actually regressed! And this was supposed to be a stud OL. Something is wrong.