• Time to Change the GT Head Coach? - A Fan Reacts

    As of now I'm officially in favor of changing the Georgia Tech head football coach....and it's not just because we lost a few games.

    It's the MANNER in which we are losing and the fact that it's not getting any better that has me concerned. False start & delay of game penalties all over the place. Constantly turning guys loose on missed offensive assignments. Slow starts on offense and defense, letting teams put us behind. Having to use timeouts (1 in each half Saturday night) because special teams units go out missing a guy.

    In short, we look like a very poorly coached football team that comes out of the tunnel unprepared and bumbles around. It isn't being corrected.

    The announcers were wrong about Chamberlain lining up in the neutral zone, being his first penalty of the night. He had two false starts in the first half. You gotta sit that guy for Chase Roberts. He's killing us. You have to run him in practice till his legs fall off or make him do up/downs until he pukes. It's just not getting handled.

    I know VT, Miami, & BYU are all pretty good football teams. I know the scheduling was not ideal. If we'd played well and lost, I could deal with it. But we haven't. We have been a bunch of bumbling, sleepwalking idiots. We are just not sharp, not prepared and it's the coaches failing to prepare the guys.

    How come the teams we play don't do all this stupid crap? It's because they're well coached. Even if Johnson gets it fixed and we finish the year strong, we still blew half the season shooting ourselves in the foot. You can say it's on the players and they're not executing, but how come Virginia Tech doesn't have all this crap happen to them? Even last year when they sucked (and still beat us) they weren't doing this crap.

    Given this state of affairs, I'm now hereby officially in favor of a coaching change. We shouldn't be doing the crap we did vs UNC, vs VT, and vs BYU. It's bad news bears bad. Maybe one or two games at the very beginning of the season, but now we are WELL into the season. And that's coaching. I realize it's the players doing all this cra, but whatever--if anything--the coaches are doing about it isn't working. How come Beamer's (Virginia Tech head coach) teams don't do this?

    If somehow we turn into a juggernaut and run the table, yeah I'll be back in. But I can't see what I'm seeing and say "I'll let the season play out". It's not the losses, it's the manner of the losses and the inability to get it fixed.
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    1. lxUn1c0's Avatar
      lxUn1c0 -
      I'm philosophically opposed to firing a head coach in the middle of the season, unless the wheels totally come off and there's a complete loss of control over the team. I think the right time to evaluate the season and make big changes is at the end, but you may have a good idea where things are going before then.

      If we break our bowl streak, which is a distinct possibility now that we've lost all wiggle room, then we need to make the change. Chan Gailey was able to make a bowl every year, and CPJ was hired to be an upgrade from him.

      If we barely make a bowl at 7-5 and then lose that game, CPJ should go. Chan Gailey was able to win 7 games every year while losing to U(sic)GA and our bowl opponent. CPJ was supposed to do better.

      If we finish 7-5 and win the bowl game, I could go either way. It depends on who we play in the bowl and how we look. A win over Air Force, Fresno State or Middle Tennessee won't mean much. If we play and beat a team like Old Miss, Iowa, or Washington, that may be enough to have hope moving forward.

      If we finish 8-4, meaning we win the ones we should and surprise either Clemson or U(sic)GA, we should strongly consider keeping CPJ, but on a very short leash. If we win the bowl game, too, I think most of us will look back on the season as a minor success and a foundation to build off of moving forward.

      Obviously, some of these scenarios are more likely than others. It's important to have predefined metrics to measure the program against, though. These three consecutive losses have been extremely difficult to endure, but we still don't know how this stretch will look retrospectively in December/January. By then, our team could have pulled themselves together and found a groove, defining these games as the hardship after which the team found their identity. The team could also completely fall apart, defining these games as the breaking point in CPJ's tenure. Time will tell.
    1. InsideLB's Avatar
      InsideLB -
      Agree that Johnson has not lost the team and I don't see how this year's results would be helped by canning him mid-season. Evaluate after the season and make the call. This is not a Kiffin situation.

      Also have to take finances into account.

      If he's gotta stay another year make him run a different O ideally under a new coordinator to ease transition.
    1. Boomergump's Avatar
      Boomergump -
      So, I just got back from taking my wife to a flea market on a beautiful day. It was sunny and 65 degrees in NY, absolutely gorgeous. The entire time I am walking around, this very subject is all I can think about. I am sure I wasn't a good buddy to be with. I mean, my wife is talking to me and all I hear is blah blah blah blah and it isn't because she is boring. It is because my head is all full of this situation that GT football has gotten itself into. These are the things I believe:

      1. I believe PJ is a very good football coach who has, historically, gotten the absolute most out of his players. He sees the field really well and knows how to scheme and how to coach to that scheme. He is blatantly honest, if not always tactful, and truly has the long term best interest of his players in mind. He tries to do the things the right way and that is important to me.

      2. I believe we have good football players who are smarter than the average bear when compared to the rest of the CFB pool. We don't have a single player on the roster who would be considered an elite talent at his position. I feel safe in saying that. However, on the flip side, talent-wise, at most positions, I think we have what I would characterize as solid players who are perfectly capable of executing any reasonable football plan and competing against the big boys. We are short in a couple areas, but overall we are pretty good. When I look out on the field, on film, I see athletes who can run with pretty good agility etc. They are perfectly capable of doing what we are asking them to do.

      So, what gives? Why isn't it working? And just to clarify, I am not talking about wins and losses necessarily, but rather, just generally playing well and executing the basic elements of the game. The answer to this question is: I don't know why it isn't working. All I know is that it is not. From the outside looking in, it appears that the kids are just not buying in and not getting the message. Right now, we are what was called in the USMC vernacular a "cluster-f&$k". I know CPJ has coached very well in the past and he hasn't forgotten how. I also know that our kids are capable players, capable of executing if not dominating. We are attempting to run a sound scheme on both sides of the ball.

      When things aren't working, something has to be done. W-L records are one thing, and they are important, but just playing like you have a clue is even more important. CAG was let go because he was no longer effective communicating the message and getting his players to execute. It was getting embarrassing. He used to be a good coach too. I am starting to feel that CPJ may be falling into the same category. What is happening out there is embarrassing from an execution standpoint. I don't think letting CPJ go in the middle of the season is a good idea, but If he can't get the kids to play sound football, win or lose, over the course of the next several games, we have to consider a change. When the kids stop listening, it is a pretty sure sign that it is over. Perhaps times have changed to the point that CPJ has become an anachronism. I hope not because I like him and think he represents what is good about sports, character building and preparing for life. We have a great institution and a wonderful history. We need to have a football program that upholds the tradition of excellence prevalent in all aspects of the GT brand.
    1. rabullard's Avatar
      rabullard -
      I love option football. Here it is No.1 Eddie Lee said that soon as Rogers left the wishbone and went to the eye, he was able to see the hole open up better and was able to bust thru the line better.No.2 Laskey has better busting out of the hole speed than Sims.No.3 Lee makes poor choices.No.4 When Tech passes, they seem to always go for the long ball. Run smaller passing routes and control the clock more. When PJ first came to Tech, they controlled the ball better. The defense still gave up the yards but they weren't on the field as much. No.5 When PJ goes into the tight wishbone on 4th and short, he's not going for it. He's trying to draw them off sides and they know he's not going for it so we have to burn a time out. Last of all if you fire PJ, I feel like they would hire from with-in and that would be Roof and do you really want him as your Head coach.
    1. HelluvaMGTmjr's Avatar
      HelluvaMGTmjr -
      The question we should be asking ourselves is what is the bottom line number that we can't accept? 6-6? 5-7?
    1. Boomergump's Avatar
      Boomergump -
      Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaMGTmjr View Post
      The question we should be asking ourselves is what is the bottom line number that we can't accept? 6-6? 5-7?
      For me, the record doesn't have as much to do with it. We are playing below our ability level right now. That is the point and it has to change. Had we played well, we may still have lost two of the last three games, but I think the taste in everybody's mouth would be a lot different. I'm more upset about how we look right now than I am about being 3 and 3. Sure, I want to win, and that is the bottom line, but you can't control your record as much as you can control the way you play. We are a decent team talent wise, but we are not nearly talented enough to play like crap and win against the vast majority of FBS programs, let alone the elite.
    1. Boomergump's Avatar
      Boomergump -
      To add to that, as soon as it becomes evident that the kids have quit on CPJ, then it is time for the change. In my mind, over the next couple of games we should have our answer. If the kids want CPJ around, they need to wake the eff up and play with a little poise and execute the game plan.
    1. HelluvaMGTmjr's Avatar
      HelluvaMGTmjr -
      Fair enough. I don't know what the answer is, just that things have not been fun on the flats for 4 consecutive years.
    1. GaTech93's Avatar
      GaTech93 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Randy Carson View Post
      By the way...last year, we were saying:

      1. Just wait till we get a new DC.
      2. Just wait till we switch to a 4-3.
      3. Just wait till our new special teams coach turns it around.
      4. Just wait till our new strength and conditioning coach gets the boys in shape.
      5. Just wait till Vad is the starter and we can really open up the offense.

      Well, what are we waiting for now, fellas?

      A win?
      A new coach?
      A miracle?
      All of the above?
      Every year there is a list similar to this one and nothing good comes from it. For the past 2 to 3 years I have been defending PJ and saying we need to be patient but time is about to run up. I hate to say it but after last year and the past 3 weeks I believe our only opition is to get rid of PJ. There is no more excuses for the coaches to give and there is no more "just wait" left for the fans to wait for except for the firing of PJ. But is the AD willing to do that with 2 years left on PJ's contract?
    1. Ga Tech Navy Nuke's Avatar
      Ga Tech Navy Nuke -
      Quote Originally Posted by Boomergump View Post
      For me, the record doesn't have as much to do with it. We are playing below our ability level right now. That is the point and it has to change. Had we played well, we may still have lost two of the last three games, but I think the taste in everybody's mouth would be a lot different. I'm more upset about how we look right now than I am about being 3 and 3. Sure, I want to win, and that is the bottom line, but you can't control your record as much as you can control the way you play. We are a decent team talent wise, but we are not nearly talented enough to play like crap and win against the vast majority of FBS programs, let alone the elite.
      Thanks for your posts. I was thinking about skipping the Syracuse game. But your view about ability and how we play will make the game interesting enough to justify another road trip. I'll be interested in what you see in slo mo, but I didn't see players giving up. The closest I saw was Vad not being able to chase down the DB who intercepted him despite a good angle, but I credit that to Vad being dog tired.

      So here's to playing better starting this weekend.
    1. js-showman's Avatar
      js-showman -
      Quote Originally Posted by RamblinWreck92 View Post
      WE ARE a very pooly-coached football team. This has occurred far too many games during the CPJ Era for it to be coincidence.

      For all the smarmy attitude that the Hill restricts our recruiting to only the smart HS players, I sure don't see the dumb players we can't recruit make the same, numerous types of mistakes our players do.

      If the dumb kids who only qualify for SEC football can master a snap-count, why can't ours?
      Don't buy the narrative that we cannot recruit. BYU is a religious, white school where the students take a vow to live a chaste lifestyle. The players get kicked off the team for pre-marital sex. And they just wiped the field with a school in downtown Atlanta that offers one of the best educations in the country. If we cannot out recruit them, who is to blame?
    1. Ga Tech Navy Nuke's Avatar
      Ga Tech Navy Nuke -
      Quote Originally Posted by js-showman View Post
      Don't buy the narrative that we cannot recruit. BYU is a religious, white school where the students take a vow to live a chaste lifestyle. The players get kicked off the team for pre-marital sex. And they just wiped the field with a school in downtown Atlanta that offers one of the best educations in the country. If we cannot out recruit them, who is to blame?
      God.
    1. mack's Avatar
      mack -
      Guys not into firing folks at mid year but all I can say is I am getting to the point that I expect us to screw up ......and that is not a tech expectation....when I was much much younger going to grant field meant a very good afternoon of football and eight out of ten we would win..I hope that feeling comes back.......HWGA
    1. mack's Avatar
      mack -
      Quote Originally Posted by Ga Tech Navy Nuke View Post
      God.
      Air Wing sent me to HI for two weeks (yes I protested vigorously) and after getting off base we would be surprised that most Somans and HI folks who could play ball would go to BYU to finish their degree..Thats why they get those big butted lineman...really shocked me for kids to go to the mainland vs Univ of H but they do in great numbers.
    1. WindsofChange's Avatar
      WindsofChange -
      The faster it happens the better the chance we can find a qualified replacement. Sorry folks, CPJ was DRad's "quick-fix". This gig is done...no more symptomatic cures.
    1. alagold's Avatar
      alagold -
      Ironically-THIS was going to be the GOOD yr.Next yr will REALLY stink with all these Srs leaving(if you think we have talent in depth,think again)
    1. AllGT's Avatar
      AllGT -
      I wonder our record in Honeycomb jerseys are? Maybe it's time we change uniforms!
    1. Animal's Avatar
      Animal -
      Quote Originally Posted by AllGT View Post
      I wonder our record in Honeycomb jerseys are? Maybe it's time we change uniforms!
      I thought the honeycomb on the numbers was illegal.

      College Football Season Preview, 2013 NCAA Rules Changes

      “Jerseys must have clearly visible, permanent Arabic numerals measuring at least 8 and 10 inches in height front and back, respectively, and be of one solid color that itself is clearly in distinct contrast with the color of the jersey, irrespective of any border around the number.” This rule goes into effect for Football Bowl Subdivision teams in 2013. Football Championship Subdivision, Division II and Division III teams will have until 2014 before the rule becomes effective."
    1. RamblinWreck92's Avatar
      RamblinWreck92 -
      Quote Originally Posted by js-showman View Post
      Don't buy the narrative that we cannot recruit. BYU is a religious, white school where the students take a vow to live a chaste lifestyle. The players get kicked off the team for pre-marital sex. And they just wiped the field with a school in downtown Atlanta that offers one of the best educations in the country. If we cannot out recruit them, who is to blame?
      agreed and I don't buy that narrative either. It's just more lame excuse-making by the handful of Johnsonians left who still swear that this archaic offense and coach can win bigtime football games, all evidence to the contrary.
    1. mcheat49's Avatar
      mcheat49 -
      I am a life long Tech fan going back to the 50's. I lived in Techwood as a kid and went to Fowler Street Elementary School. In addition I have been a season ticket holder since the 2000 season, I've earned the right to expect more from this team, my team, and I've done my best to support CPJ. Sad to say though, I have come to the point where I've lost faith in the coaches and their system. Received a call today from the athletic department asking me about about how I feel about my seats and the schedule this year. I vented, but I have no confidence that anything will change. Are we seeing "dead coach walking"?