• GT's Triple Option Defended Differently?

    I really think I see something going on in both Virginia Tech and Miami games. The B-Back take seems to be hanging on the line and "showing" a BB take forcing the read. Once they force the read they go for the QB. This puts Vad off and if he pitches his "second" read now can take the pitch.

    The 1st Q the DE takes the BB. Second Q at 14:28 they switch up and now the OLB is taking the BB. Vad does not see him coming, gives to the BB, and the OLB takes the BB for a stop.

    You can see it again at 12:51 and now Vad keeps, but the OLB does not take the BB. This tells me he is not fully committed to the BB. Vad makes this pitch despited the "busted" read and the DE is in enough for the pitch to work.

    JT faces the same thing 2Q at 4:14 and the OLB comes in to "take" the BB, JT pulls from the BB, but the OLB comes after JT. JT Makes the pitch despite the "busted" read and the DE is to close to stop the pitch.

    3Q 1:06 same plan but the OLB moves in quicker and unnerves Vad as it looks like the guy is going to get there before Sims. Busted play. Key is the OLB gets there quicker. The pitch looks open but it is not. See next play.

    The next play after the above (3Q at 36 second) same thing but the OLB never fully takes the BB and then goes after Lee. This forces Lee to pitch off the BB read. The true Pitch read is not so tight in and now goes after the pitch man and stops the play.

    VT did some "late" reading the BB as well allowing the LB to show BB take but late enough to switch to the QB.
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    1. longestday's Avatar
      longestday -
      You can view the page at http://gtsportstalk.com/content.php?...ed-Differently
    1. Boomergump's Avatar
      Boomergump -
      Miami did a fair amount of this during the game. I thought JT did a good job with it on that bobbled pitch to RG. To me it showed he has progressed in his reads to some degree. Gotta get that pitch on the money.
    1. mack's Avatar
      mack -
      Quote Originally Posted by stylee View Post
      I need to watch to know exactly what you're talking about, and I will, but my first take is...

      when we talk about the OLB taking the BB, we've usually got a switched assignment, so that the OLB is shooting the B-Gap for the BB (thus taking him inside the tackle box) and the defensive end is fanning out to challenge the QB/AB option.

      This is commonly known as a "cross charge" as the two defenders are crossing each other.

      The solution is generally to flash to the BB, pull out, square up to End, and pitch. It essentially becomes no option at all IF you see it correctly, because now the defense lacks a defender on the edge and the closest guy (v. a Cover 3) is going to be a cornerback or safety 10 yards down field.

      My recollection on JT's option pitch is that he only noticed the exchanged assignments at the last moment. Initially, the DE's fan-out makes it look like the QB should give. I think JT thought that he had a standard "give" read...then spied the charging OLB and realized what was really going on.

      I do remember Miami switching things up, sometimes just sending the OLB from the edge (instead of the B-Gap).
      Thanks for the write-up, I look forward to seeing this.
      Man have times changed...we used to tell our end to get two yds outside end or Tackle and slant one yd off the butt of the tackle and hit qb every time..purpose being we wanted the pitch to be done quickly ..linebacker inside had the dive and the corners had the pitch man...yeah fourty yrs ago it made sense and today the terms we use are different but it seems folks are adjusting the lineman at snap of ball and playing more force with the safety's..Damn things were easy back them...............Keep hitting those books my friend.
    1. AllGT's Avatar
      AllGT -
      Mr. Miyagi: "Called Spread Flex Option Offense."
      Daniel: "Does it work?"
      Mr. Miyagi: "If do right, no can defense."
      Daniel: "Can you teach me?"
      Mr. Miyagi: "First learn block, then learn run and pass.
      Daniel: "Yeah."
      Mr. Miyagi: "Football rule Danielson, not mine."

      The immortal Mr. Miyagi and his eternal wisdom...his lessons can be applied to all aspects of life.
    1. Jeagt's Avatar
      Jeagt -
      Quote Originally Posted by allgt View Post
      mr. Miyagi: "called spread flex option offense."
      daniel: "does it work?"
      mr. Miyagi: "if do right, no can defense."
      daniel: "can you teach me?"
      mr. Miyagi: "first learn block, then learn run and pass.
      Daniel: "yeah."
      mr. Miyagi: "football rule danielson, not mine."

      the immortal mr. Miyagi and his eternal wisdom...his lessons can be applied to all aspects of life.
      lol!!
    1. NYJacket's Avatar
      NYJacket -
      Quote Originally Posted by mack View Post
      Man have times changed...we used to tell our end to get two yds outside end or Tackle and slant one yd off the butt of the tackle and hit qb every time..purpose being we wanted the pitch to be done quickly ..linebacker inside had the dive and the corners had the pitch man...yeah fourty yrs ago it made sense and today the terms we use are different but it seems folks are adjusting the lineman at snap of ball and playing more force with the safety's..Damn things were easy back them...............Keep hitting those books my friend.
      Mack, even in today's game the way to stop this offense is take away the dive and force the QB to pitch quick. Then rely upon the D backs to come up on the outside to make the play. This worked 40 years ago and it works today.

      I just don't understand why we don't line up in the spread and run the "read" option out of a pistol set now that we have a QB who can throw the ball.

      And we could also occasionally line up in the standard formation with the B back deeper like a conventional tailback. This opens up all the possiblities for jour offense and gives the defense a lot to worry about.

      My point is get the defense scrambling to adjust to formations and then set up quickly in the traditional TO set that CPJ likes to run and burn them before they can think about "playing" their responsiblity.

      I just think we have become too predictable and our opponents have learned how to set their defense from teams who have shut us down.

      We have plenty of speed on this team and guys on the outside who are pretty good blockers. A multiple offense with a little bit of hurry up would really give our oponents trouble.

      But, I really expect to see just more of the same this weekend from CPJ and I expect to see BYU in a 4-3 with the M linebacker playing deep like a third safety. I also expect them to single cover our wide receivers until we prove we can throw on them at will when they do that.

      And unless we can establish a credible passing game, I expect to see a lot of 8 men in the box defense.

      I really hope CPJ surprises me. He has the hosses to win this game. I just hope he has the smarts to use them properly.
    1. stylee's Avatar
      stylee -
      Do they have a new DC or something? They were in a 3-4 last year.