• Paul Johnson's Legacy and Record

    Let's say for argument's sake, Coach Johnson stays at Georgia Tech for another 8 years after this year for a total of 14. What will be his lasting legacy and imprint on the program, and in terms of wins and losses, how will he fare?

    I look at him as sorta a "Coach Alex" figure. Liked by the school and his players, a man of integrity, some coaching success, but for the most part less than brilliant. At the end of his (potential) reign, I see us firmly entrenched with the Dukes and Virginias of our own league.

    Not more division championships and an overall record of something like 99-80. A few big wins sprinkled in along the way, and maybe even a victory or two against Georgia if they fall back to our level as they did with Goff and Donnan. A lot will depend on what becomes of the "Division 4" scenario.

    If the NCAA falls apart and the super powers go their own way, it may be best for us to steer clear of the big-big-bigtime division, and run the Wreck out on autumn afternoons against the likes of Kennesaw, UAB, and Vandy. I watched a little of the Lehigh v. Fordham game this weekend. They looked like they were having fun, the fans, too. You know, Lombardi played for Fordham, back in the day.
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    1. Yukonwreck's Avatar
      Yukonwreck -
      You can view the page at http://gtsportstalk.com/content.php?...acy-and-Record
    1. foggy's Avatar
      foggy -
      Quote Originally Posted by GT Man View Post
      Per wikipedia:

      Bobby Ross came from Maryland after winning three ACC titles over four years. Ross' first season at Tech experienced a severe talent vacuum after Curry's departure, and the players Ross inherited resisted the changes he demanded. The team only won two games, and Ross contemplated ending his coaching career after a humbling loss to Wake Forest in 1987. Ross decided to remain at Tech and continued to rebuild Tech's program. The turning point came in 1989 with the recruitment of Shawn Jones and several other key freshman. After two seasons and only five total wins, Jones helped the Jackets rebound at the end of the 1989 season.[24]
      Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets football - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      How would our fan base handle 5 total wins in 2 years?
      Recruiting saved his butt, he got lucky with a good class and the rest is history.

      I think if anything isn't working, it's the perception of the offensive system by recruits.
      How could we handle it? I think well, at least I know I can and I'm about as critical as anyone on this board. I after seeing Ross's team even after losses I knew that better day were ahead. With Ross I could see progress and things were getting better on both sides of the ball. Lets get rid of pj and bring in a real coach. You listening BOBINSKI?
    1. Boomergump's Avatar
      Boomergump -
      I want to see the season play out a little more before I make sweeping conclusions. I know, six years!

      When I look at GT 2013, right now, I see a team that is 2 stout DTs short of being a legit ACCCG contender. I honestly don't see us as being that far away.
    1. Lexjacket's Avatar
      Lexjacket -
      The year after we won the National Championship in 1990 Ross and GT was 7- 5 regular season (with a loss to Ray Goof's dawgies), a win against Stanford in the Aloha Bowl made 8 -5. At least be fair in your comparisons.

      1989 | Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets Football Statistics and Results | Totalfootballstats.com

      1990 | Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets Football Statistics and Results | Totalfootballstats.com

      1991 | Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets Football Statistics and Results | Totalfootballstats.com
    1. GA TECH's Avatar
      GA TECH -
      Quote Originally Posted by Boomergump View Post
      I want to see the season play out a little more before I make sweeping conclusions. I know, six years!

      When I look at GT 2013, right now, I see a team that is 2 stout DTs short of being a legit ACCCG contender. I honestly don't see us as being that far away.
      We also need;
      1) WR's
      2) Offensive linemen
      3) ST's
      4) QB's who can throw
      5) And most of all, a head coach
    1. HelluvaMGTmjr's Avatar
      HelluvaMGTmjr -
      Quote Originally Posted by Boomergump View Post
      I want to see the season play out a little more before I make sweeping conclusions. I know, six years!

      When I look at GT 2013, right now, I see a team that is 2 stout DTs short of being a legit ACCCG contender. I honestly don't see us as being that far away.
      Yeah...but our offense needs help too.
    1. DifferentialY's Avatar
      DifferentialY -
      [QUOTE=mack;95939]Yes Ross lost for first few yrs while getting his house in order but.........funny nobody cares too much after beating georgie and winning the NC.QUOTE]

      When Coach Ross contemplated retiring, it was after a particularly humiliating loss. He said he drove around Atlanta eating ice cream. Then rode for hours. He was biggest puzzlement was he was still losing, but now with his own players.
    1. HelluvaMGTmjr's Avatar
      HelluvaMGTmjr -
      I wouldn't be surprised if PJ drove around eating ice cream after every loss.
    1. Boomergump's Avatar
      Boomergump -
      Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaMGTmjr View Post
      Yeah...but our offense needs help too.
      Our offense isn't perfect, but it is hard to stop if everybody goes on the same snap count. Our defense has a hole that needs to be plugged. You saw it, even when we were winning. I am not worried about the offense. Yes we can be better. I am worried about the defense.
    1. mack's Avatar
      mack -
      Quote Originally Posted by Yukonwreck View Post
      If Cooper Taylor had not put his hat on that Seminole RB, Paul's stay might have been a short one. I will admit, I was all in for him at the time, tho. Fare-weather guy that I am.
      I didnt care for his offense since we had Chan type players who ran pro sets etc but I felt like he has the spunk to get us out of a funk...Of course having JD and Bey Bey and four def lineman and a NFL db helped out tremendously.yes one hat on a ball probably turned the year round..Of course the once for all ages comeback at georgie was wonderful yet..........it fueld the fire that we were coming back with hosses and never again would we lose to georgie.Now when he has his players and we are average is tough to take after his start.PJ will survive due to the cash problem and the folks will fill the air with ..........excuses but its clear we are not where we thought we would be with Paul at this stage of the game.
    1. mack's Avatar
      mack -
      Quote Originally Posted by Lexjacket View Post
      The year after we won the National Championship in 1990 Ross and GT was 7- 5 regular season (with a loss to Ray Goof's dawgies), a win against Stanford in the Aloha Bowl made 8 -5. At least be fair in your comparisons.

      1989 | Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets Football Statistics and Results | Totalfootballstats.com

      1990 | Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets Football Statistics and Results | Totalfootballstats.com

      1991 | Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets Football Statistics and Results | Totalfootballstats.com
      Hey Lex,,,I heard the reason we were so bad after winning it all was the Bell incident with the book store...folks have told me that the team told Ross they wanted to keep him on the team and of course...........Ross would have none of it so team didnt play up to the level it did in 90.Cant verify it but its a good excuse and we all..............use excuses and alibi's on the board.I do know that under Carson we sort of threw the Peach Bowl for first half and then played well last half.....
    1. GA TECH's Avatar
      GA TECH -
      CPJ is a great recruiter--our best receiver is a walk on and our best running back is a walk on--nice job of finding talent for us each year
    1. bcaff's Avatar
      bcaff -
      Quote Originally Posted by GA TECH View Post
      CPJ is a great recruiter--our best receiver is a walk on and our best running back is a walk on--nice job of finding talent for us each year
      A) Deandre Smelter isn't a walk on. He got recruited to play at GT along with a lot of other schools
      B) A defensive linemen that isn't even on the depth chart is a 4 star recruit. That doesn't mean that our defensive line is great. Actually, it's probably the weakest part of the offense. This is a dumb argument.
    1. GT Man's Avatar
      GT Man -
      Quote Originally Posted by bcaff View Post
      A) Deandre Smelter isn't a walk on. He got recruited to play at GT along with a lot of other schools
      B) A defensive linemen that isn't even on the depth chart is a 4 star recruit. That doesn't mean that our defensive line is great. Actually, it's probably the weakest part of the offense. This is a dumb argument.
      Ignore it bcaff. I'm still yet to see a worthwhile post from GA TECH (one that doesn't just bash the coach without any relevant information attached to it)
    1. alagold's Avatar
      alagold -
      Quote Originally Posted by Boomergump View Post
      I want to see the season play out a little more before I make sweeping conclusions. I know, six years!

      When I look at GT 2013, right now, I see a team that is 2 stout DTs short of being a legit ACCCG contender. I honestly don't see us as being that far away.
      Boomer,
      DTs-No problem--there they are right on the verbals list for FEB , er, no wait they are on the "wish" list for FEB
      btw--the DL at NotreDame and the, FR, Lawson(a legacy) at awbern that we didn't get are burning it up
    1. Boomergump's Avatar
      Boomergump -
      Quote Originally Posted by alagold View Post
      Boomer,
      DTs-No problem--there they are right on the verbals list for FEB , er, no wait they are on the "wish" list for FEB
      btw--the DL at NotreDame and the, FR, Lawson(a legacy) at awbern that we didn't get are burning it up
      No doubt, recruiting that position for us has been a huge challenge. We just have to find some that can get it done.
    1. GA TECH's Avatar
      GA TECH -
      Quote Originally Posted by bcaff View Post
      A) Deandre Smelter isn't a walk on. He got recruited to play at GT along with a lot of other schools
      B) A defensive linemen that isn't even on the depth chart is a 4 star recruit. That doesn't mean that our defensive line is great. Actually, it's probably the weakest part of the offense. This is a dumb argument.
      In regards to "B)", your right, your reasoning/arguement is dumb
      Also, nice job ignoring the fact that walk on Robert Godhigh is the best running back, and that this is suppose to be the 2nd most important position of cpj's top recruiting priorities
    1. bozene's Avatar
      bozene -
      Quote Originally Posted by GT Man View Post
      Per wikipedia:

      Bobby Ross came from Maryland after winning three ACC titles over four years. Ross' first season at Tech experienced a severe talent vacuum after Curry's departure, and the players Ross inherited resisted the changes he demanded. The team only won two games, and Ross contemplated ending his coaching career after a humbling loss to Wake Forest in 1987. Ross decided to remain at Tech and continued to rebuild Tech's program. The turning point came in 1989 with the recruitment of Shawn Jones and several other key freshman. After two seasons and only five total wins, Jones helped the Jackets rebound at the end of the 1989 season.[24]
      Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets football - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      How would our fan base handle 5 total wins in 2 years?
      Recruiting saved his butt, he got lucky with a good class and the rest is history.

      I think if anything isn't working, it's the perception of the offensive system by recruits.
      Bingo!! you're last sentence says it all! Good expierment with the TO but as we have found, it's not working and really good football recruits just do not want to play in this system let alone for Johnson.Believe me folks, Tech can get a young coach in here that will run a traditional offense with slightly more passing than running, and get it up and running within 2 years. So, as some of you guys say,but they will leave as soon as they make the team a winner. Who cares? we changed the system and now it would be much easier to find another coach who wants the job and could step right in and keep it running!
    1. Animal's Avatar
      Animal -
      Quote Originally Posted by bozene View Post
      Bingo!! you're last sentence says it all! Good expierment with the TO but as we have found, it's not working and really good football recruits just do not want to play in this system let alone for Johnson.Believe me folks, Tech can get a young coach in here that will run a traditional offense with slightly more passing than running, and get it up and running within 2 years. So, as some of you guys say,but they will leave as soon as they make the team a winner. Who cares? we changed the system and now it would be much easier to find another coach who wants the job and could step right in and keep it running!
      It has nothing to do with the TO......it has everything to do with winning. Kids want to play for winners. Alabama could play wishbone and kids would flock there because kids want to be champions
    1. HelluvaMGTmjr's Avatar
      HelluvaMGTmjr -
      Quote Originally Posted by Animal View Post
      It has nothing to do with the TO......it has everything to do with winning. Kids want to play for winners. Alabama could play wishbone and kids would flock there because kids want to be champions
      I've read too many comments by recruits about not wanting to play in our offense to believe that...not to mention the LOW quality of skill players we've recruited, even in the wake of 08 and 09.