• Vad Lee Learning His Options

    I really like what happened to our Georgia Tech football team last Saturday against North Carolina. First and foremost, our defense made the difference. We won a game 28-20, that we wouldn't have won the last 2 years without that defensive production.

    Secondly, I love that we won the game and had to overcome MAJOR adversity to do so, down 2 scores twice.

    But, the thing that I'm most excited about, is that it is making our offense focus on becoming great at the option again. This is what I alluded to in my post before the game.

    Vad is a great QB, but the system has to be where he excels, not outside of it, but within it, making it more dynamic. The way UNC gave us so much trouble is going to make these guys focus on being the best option team they can be, so that even the good teams, even the good schemes can only contain our big plays, and not really stop us.

    Doing this will make Vad impossible to contain. It will be pick your poison. Nothing good will be able to come out of it for the defense. Either play fundamentally sound defense and get death marched, or cheat and get burned for the big play by a great QB to a capable WR.

    Coach Johnson is using that UNC game as the opportunity to make our guys turn that option game up as well, if you're seeing/hearing his comments. Of course it's not just Vad, it's all of our blocking too, especially the perimeter guys (OT's, AB's, WR's). I hope we can get that much better at it on a short week facing one of the best defenses in the nation. But, hopefully the old adage will be true, the most improvement you make is between the 2nd and 3rd game. And, with Elon and a bye week to start, UNC was more like our 2nd game.

    We've traditionally gotten better at it as the year goes anyway, but I think that is going to be intensified this year. Get these guys focused on what they have to do to make the defense pay on the option. Get Vad focused on getting that read right and not letting them dictate it with their schemes/games/fakes. I love that Sims showed such tough running ability. That will help a LOT. The better he can be, the more the DE will have to commit to him to really stop him, making the read a little easier.

    I'm excited about this Thursday. I hope we crush them.
    Comments 11 Comments
    1. stylee's Avatar
      stylee -
      I don't understand why we think Vad's not "getting it" at all.

      The dude has scored multiple times on the triple option.
      He was an essential part of an offense that put up 68 points in one game last year, and 70, 38, and 28 this year. He's throwing at 56% right now, averaging 10.7 a passing attempt, has 7 TD passes in 3 games, and has rushed for 3 TDs.

      He's not perfect running the triple option, but neither was Tevin Washington, Josh Nesbitt, Jaybo Shaw, Kaipo-Noa, Brian Madden, etc et etc.

      Our coach wants him to be better. But I promise you that Mariotta's coach wants Mariotta to be better. And Manziel's coach wants Manziel to be better.

      Are we going to say he "gets it" if and only if he wins the Heisman? That's pretty unfair to him.

      I just don't get what we're even complaining about.
    1. dressedcheeseside's Avatar
      dressedcheeseside -
      Quote Originally Posted by stylee View Post
      I don't understand why we think Vad's not "getting it" at all.

      The dude has scored multiple times on the triple option.
      He was an essential part of an offense that put up 68 points in one game last year, and 70, 38, and 28 this year. He's throwing at 56% right now, averaging 10.7 a passing attempt, has 7 TD passes in 3 games, and has rushed for 3 TDs.

      He's not perfect running the triple option, but neither was Tevin Washington, Josh Nesbitt, Jaybo Shaw, Kaipo-Noa, Brian Madden, etc et etc.

      Our coach wants him to be better. But I promise you that Mariotta's coach wants Mariotta to be better. And Manziel's coach wants Manziel to be better.

      Are we going to say he "gets it" if and only if he wins the Heisman? That's pretty unfair to him.

      I just don't get what we're even complaining about.
      I think guys are getting confused between "not getting" the offense and plain ol' inexperience managing the game and his emotions. Vad made several points when speaking on camera during "The Process" series. He pointed out that he's more settled this year, less emotional and the game is slowing down. Well, we've yet to see that happen. Then again, a driving rainstorm against a pretty good defense in a tight ball game can have an affect.
    1. Yukonwreck's Avatar
      Yukonwreck -
      Quote Originally Posted by oldgoldandwhite View Post
      Name a coach that is not hard headed? Saban and Spurrier both tried to bend the NFL to their coaching style. Saw how that worked. Mack Brown and Lane Kiffin - saw how that is working. CMR is bound and determined to live or die with Bobo. I could go on and on. Bear Bryant and Vince Lombardi and Mike Ditka and Tom Landry and Bill Bellichek and both Harbaugh brothers are/were as hard headed as they come.
      Skip Holtz!
    1. Jeagt's Avatar
      Jeagt -
      Quote Originally Posted by stylee View Post
      I don't understand why we think Vad's not "getting it" at all.

      The dude has scored multiple times on the triple option.
      He was an essential part of an offense that put up 68 points in one game last year, and 70, 38, and 28 this year. He's throwing at 56% right now, averaging 10.7 a passing attempt, has 7 TD passes in 3 games, and has rushed for 3 TDs.

      He's not perfect running the triple option, but neither was Tevin Washington, Josh Nesbitt, Jaybo Shaw, Kaipo-Noa, Brian Madden, etc et etc.

      Our coach wants him to be better. But I promise you that Mariotta's coach wants Mariotta to be better. And Manziel's coach wants Manziel to be better.

      Are we going to say he "gets it" if and only if he wins the Heisman? That's pretty unfair to him.

      I just don't get what we're even complaining about.
      I gotta wonder if it isn't wishful thinking by some. If Vad's not "getting it" and he can't execute option plays or cpj's base flex plays then it means we need to change the offense and run more pistol or whatever. Because hey, if the kid can't run the base it gives people a reason to complain about the O other then just saying they don't like it.
    1. Ga Tech Navy Nuke's Avatar
      Ga Tech Navy Nuke -
      Quote Originally Posted by stylee View Post
      I don't understand why we think Vad's not "getting it" at all.

      The dude has scored multiple times on the triple option.
      He was an essential part of an offense that put up 68 points in one game last year, and 70, 38, and 28 this year. He's throwing at 56% right now, averaging 10.7 a passing attempt, has 7 TD passes in 3 games, and has rushed for 3 TDs.

      He's not perfect running the triple option, but neither was Tevin Washington, Josh Nesbitt, Jaybo Shaw, Kaipo-Noa, Brian Madden, etc et etc.

      Our coach wants him to be better. But I promise you that Mariotta's coach wants Mariotta to be better. And Manziel's coach wants Manziel to be better.

      Are we going to say he "gets it" if and only if he wins the Heisman? That's pretty unfair to him.

      I just don't get what we're even complaining about.
      He hasn't won the Heisman yet.
    1. Boomergump's Avatar
      Boomergump -
      Quote Originally Posted by stylee View Post
      I don't understand why we think Vad's not "getting it" at all.

      The dude has scored multiple times on the triple option.
      He was an essential part of an offense that put up 68 points in one game last year, and 70, 38, and 28 this year. He's throwing at 56% right now, averaging 10.7 a passing attempt, has 7 TD passes in 3 games, and has rushed for 3 TDs.

      He's not perfect running the triple option, but neither was Tevin Washington, Josh Nesbitt, Jaybo Shaw, Kaipo-Noa, Brian Madden, etc et etc.

      Our coach wants him to be better. But I promise you that Mariotta's coach wants Mariotta to be better. And Manziel's coach wants Manziel to be better.

      Are we going to say he "gets it" if and only if he wins the Heisman? That's pretty unfair to him.

      I just don't get what we're even complaining about.
      Look, Vad is 3-0 as a starter at GT. It is impossible to improve on that record. To say that he is not "getting it" is disingenuous. He is a very good player at this point in his career. I don't care if Manziel, and the like, got a chance sooner and put up bigger numbers. He is where he is right now, which is pretty good. Enough said. I think he played a crappy game Saturday, COMPARED TO WHAT HE IS CAPABLE OF. He would tell you the same. There were a lot of bad decisions in there. I WANT HIM STARTING TOMORROW'S GAME because I believe in him. I just want him to settle down and respect possession of the football. I didn't quantify, with a percentage, the reads in the TO during the UNC game as you did. All I can say is, some of the reads he blew early were pretty obvious. They were not cases where some dubious defensive activity fooled him. He just didn't read it. I think it was because, like the rest of the team, he was really keyed up. Over time, he settled in. I think Vad IS getting it and I think he will be great in our CURRENT OFFENSE. We will not need to eliminate the TO portion of the offense for him, but he will be able to add more elements to it than our last two QBs combined. We should be happy about that. I can't wait for Vad to hit a WR over the top tomorrow on play action when VT is jumping the pitch lanes daring us to pass. When he does that, people will understand.
    1. Lexjacket's Avatar
      Lexjacket -
      To say that he is not "getting it" is disingenuous. He is a very good player at this point in his career. 'Boomer'

      Are we going to say he "gets it" if and only if he wins the Heisman? That's pretty unfair to him. I just don't get what we're even complaining about. 'Stylee'

      They say these things because they hold everyone to a higher standard than they could ever achieve and because they would BOO their own children at an Easter egg hunt.

    1. Ga Tech Navy Nuke's Avatar
      Ga Tech Navy Nuke -
      It's important to hold critiques when your kid doesn't get the most eggs at an Easter Egg hunt. How else are they going to learn? {:sarcasm}

      It was also sarcasm about Vad not having won the Heisman yet. He's doing just fine and will get better.
    1. PatrickinGa's Avatar
      PatrickinGa -
      Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaMGTmjr View Post
      So Mariota at Oregon can dominate as a FR, Maziel wins the Hesiman running their spread as an FR, Tebow wins the Heisman in his Soph year, etc. while Vad couldn't beat out a very pedestrian TW means what? Are our QBs dumber than these guys? Our spread offense is that much more complicated? Poor coaching?
      I have often wondered about this too...

      I understand learning curve, but with this offense it seems to long for what is only 4 years of eligibility.
    1. AllGT's Avatar
      AllGT -
      Man this is why GT can never have nice things. People read WAAAAY too much into what CPJ says.

      You know how I know CPJ is fine with Vad's progress in the option game? Justin Thomas. If CPJ wasn't happy with where Vad is in HIS system, I don't think CPJ hesitates to put Justin Thomas in. Scheme-wise, JT's skillset may fit more into CPJ's "traditional" system than Vad. By traditional, I mean the system GT fans have seen since he's been here and at Navy, and think it's all there is. If anyone has researched his offense, they know that the QBs he's had at Navy and since he's been here have actually held his system back. CPJ has had Vad under his microscope for the last 3 years, you think he doesn't know what he has? In my opinion, CPJ is overly critical of Vad because he knows how high Vad's ceiling is, and he understands what Vad can do for his entire offense and the perception of it.

      If there's one thing that CPJ doesn't get enough credit for it's his ability to motivate and send messages. Vad want's to pass more? CPJ tells him we're not passing more unless he practices passing more and gets better at it. What does Vad do? Bugs his receivers to pass everyday and at all hours, and on top of that, spend his own money to fly out to California so he can train under one of the top QB coaches in the game. The guys on offense want shotgun and new formations? Well, they better learn the base stuff first. Well, last year was one of the best years I can ever remember GT running the base stuff with respect to pure execution and not relying on elites skill players like 2009. GT fans and the media are filling Vad with stardom and praise before he's even the starter? Well, CPJ sends the message that Vad may not even be the starter because Justin Thomas has "just as strong of an arm" and has exceptional skills. I mean, did anyone really believe that? Oh, wait...

      I think CPJ sees what he can do with someone like Vad, but I also think he knows that he has to build Vad up differently than he did with Tevin and Josh. A champion race car has to be built with the right parts and in the right way...and that's exactly what CPJ is trying to do with Vad.
    1. yellojello's Avatar
      yellojello -
      Quote Originally Posted by AllGT View Post
      Man this is why GT can never have nice things. People read WAAAAY too much into what CPJ says.

      You know how I know CPJ is fine with Vad's progress in the option game? Justin Thomas. If CPJ wasn't happy with where Vad is in HIS system, I don't think CPJ hesitates to put Justin Thomas in. Scheme-wise, JT's skillset may fit more into CPJ's "traditional" system than Vad. By traditional, I mean the system GT fans have seen since he's been here and at Navy, and think it's all there is. If anyone has researched his offense, they know that the QBs he's had at Navy and since he's been here have actually held his system back. CPJ has had Vad under his microscope for the last 3 years, you think he doesn't know what he has? In my opinion, CPJ is overly critical of Vad because he knows how high Vad's ceiling is, and he understands what Vad can do for his entire offense and the perception of it.

      If there's one thing that CPJ doesn't get enough credit for it's his ability to motivate and send messages. Vad want's to pass more? CPJ tells him we're not passing more unless he practices passing more and gets better at it. What does Vad do? Bugs his receivers to pass everyday and at all hours, and on top of that, spend his own money to fly out to California so he can train under one of the top QB coaches in the game. The guys on offense want shotgun and new formations? Well, they better learn the base stuff first. Well, last year was one of the best years I can ever remember GT running the base stuff with respect to pure execution and not relying on elites skill players like 2009. GT fans and the media are filling Vad with stardom and praise before he's even the starter? Well, CPJ sends the message that Vad may not even be the starter because Justin Thomas has "just as strong of an arm" and has exceptional skills. I mean, did anyone really believe that? Oh, wait...

      I think CPJ sees what he can do with someone like Vad, but I also think he knows that he has to build Vad up differently than he did with Tevin and Josh. A champion race car has to be built with the right parts and in the right way...and that's exactly what CPJ is trying to do with Vad.
      This man clearly gets it. CPJ said as much in the radio show, when he said he should be careful of what he says, because people read way too much into it. This was in response to a question on the execution of the offense.